http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/08/iraq.women/index.html

Your Bush hatred must be off the charts.

Let me understand....Even though he helped free the Iraqi people from the oppressive yoke of a brutal government, you now want to BLAME BUSH for what some bad citizens do there?

Aim your camera lens on any big city, including here in the US. There's plenty of killing there, too.

Talk about over-reaching.

Herbert Milhous

I would suggest this link for a dose of reality...

http://www.dahr.org/

OK Herb

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329605,00.html

And this from a Bush ally!

Fighting for democracy, my ass!!!

These killings are yet another example of the slaughter of innocents in Iraq that you support. How many of these were going on before our invasion?

Maybe Herb would care more if some of the women were pregnant when they were murdered.

Actually, Herb doesn't care so much about the baby's life, it's more a control issue. Religious fundamentalists are all about the control of other's behavior, even if their own behavior and choices don't meet their purported guidelines.

Hey folks! It's time again for hate -vs- displeasure class!

Step right up and take a seat. Won't take but just a minute of your time. The reward is simple understanding of the world that will help you in your own life.

Quite a bargain for just a moment of your time right? I think so, which is exactly why I am taking my time to help you with yours!

Class is now in session!


Hate is often co-mingled with disapproval. When this happens, those co-mingling have a difficult time sorting out which emotion is actually in play and that impacts their reasoning which, in turn, impacts value judgements.

All of that contributes to a state of generally lower mental health in that considerable personal energy is consumed dealing with a potent emotion incorrectly. Failure to address the right emotion with the right therapy for it, is a lot like curing a symptom instead of a disease.

Might feel good in the moment, but it does not last.

Hate is a very powerful emotion. Really hating something means having anger for what that thing is, what it does, how it presents --everything. Hate is directly linked to primal anger and that's linked to non-rational behavior.

And that's the value judgment thing.

Here is a key realization:

There is nothing past hate! Hate is as bad as it gets, and that's why it impacts value judgments in a negative way. The balance is all wrong.

One cannot weigh an infinite weight against anything else and get a reasonable result.

With me so far? Good.

Now, disapproval, disregard, displeasure, etc... are all rational judgements that also are often linked to anger. The difference is those things can be quantified!

You show disapproval for some reason, and that reason has boundaries, with those boundaries making the emotion finite, which can be weighed and balanced for healthy life judgments.

When you hate something, it's an inclusive emotion. You have no regard for that thing, there is no upside, there is no redemption. It's just not something that can make your world better, and it's not something that can be ignored.

There are no boundaries with pure hate, and that makes it a very dangerous emotion. When we operate in a mode where there are no boundaries, we are capable of just about anything, and that's bad for what should be a lot of obvious reasons.

Disapproval of what this President has done, is different from hating the president! That's the confusion right there.

People like to put this confusion on the table because they are really trying to claim irrational behavior and thought, and with that claim, trying to marginalize the judgement made by that person expressing what is otherwise healthy displeasure.

So, that's a dodge straight up. Specifically, it's a combination of the personal attack:

person acting irrational and can safely be ignored / marginalized

,and

the subject change!

The discussion moves from the point of displeasure to one surrounding the confusion of hate and displeasure / disapproval.

See how that works now?

When somebody claims "hate", the absolute first thing that needs to be done is a rational analysis of the statements so claimed!

Do they have clear boundaries? Are there rational supporting facts? Do the emotional connotations make sense?

eg: Would the average person hate that, or just be really unhappy with that?

Having done this, one can then characterize the statement as either being a hateful one or not and move forward from there.

Remember kids, it's perfectly ok to hate what the President has done with that place, without actually hating the President. The reality is one is not pleased with the performance and HATES the result.

If that same person were your next door neighbor, you would probably not HATE them, but instead just consider them foolish, ignorant, bigoted, etc...

Nobody hates anybody for those kinds of things. They are displeased instead.

Proper characterization of these things is vital to being a happy and healthy person. Failure do do this (and that happens when one buys into this shit), means spending a lot of mental energy working though issues one really does not have in the first place!

For your own good, think that through hard and push back hard when you see it. The world is a nicer place because of it.

Class outta session now.

Herb, you really should quit doing that. You've been called on it more times than I can recall.

It's bullshit, horse shit and cow shit.

..and it adds exactly zero value.

I do not hate George Bush. I respect his military service and the fact he stepped up to serve as a governor and president.

What I "hate" is the job he has done and the fact that more than 4,000 U.S. troops are dead for a lost cause.

Bingo.

That's a rational statement, healthy, permitted by law, ethic and morals.

There is absolutely zero wrong with that. Anybody that says otherwise --ever, has an agenda that is self-serving and unhealthy.

Edit: Herb, you know I don't want to come across like that, but this is basic human stuff. I know absolutely that you know better, so why not just come clean, step up and and be an adult about this stuff?

We know you have your "nothing else matters but fighting terror and getting right wing court appointment" agenda. That's ok.

Instead of trying to fuck other people up, so they might be shocked into getting as confused as you are, why not just support that agenda in a solid and rational way?

At least then the discussion would have some value and emotions surrounding it would be more healthy as a result.

Come on man. We don't need this, you don't need this.

WOW!
The FACTS have Herb running scared!!!

Thanks for making that clear again Missing_KSKD. To restate the obvious in simple Dobie Gillis terms:

Herbie, if you keep cutting Professor Dingus' classes, he is gonna come down on you man. Can you dig it?

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