http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4320649&page=1

I for one, have a real problem with these religious groups blaming our societies problems on pornography. Porn is Fantasy NOT reality. Who doen;t like to explore their own fantasies once in a while? For men its Pornography, for women it can be those steamy romance novels.
Is Porn addicting? Yes Porn is addicting, studies have shown that it is. BUT what isn't addicting in our society? Alcoholisim is an addiction, overeating is an addiction. You can't blame an industry based on an addiction. Hell, Coffee is an addiction, so should we be blaming Starbucks for getting us hooked on caffeine??? I am Pro Porn, i have nothing against it, its a way to escape reality for a little while, its entertainment, Just like a Steamy Daniel Steel novel is entertainment. I also found it interesting that Famous Porn Star Ron Jeremy holds a masters degree in Special education. Infact People i've know who have met Ron Jeremy says he is a very intelligent guy.

Thoughts, views, on the porn industry, or the porn debate at Yale University???

I'm a happily married man who likes porn and uses it responsibly. I think if the religious right wasn't so uptight about porn publicly, they'd have a lot less problems privately.

Yale?

I have no issue with naked pictures. I do find it troubling, and ironic, that the last seven years have seen our First Amendment protections eroded in broadcast and print media, cyberspace, and our ability to demonstrate. At the same time, porn has flourished.

However, extending rights to physical penetration on the newsstands, while telling other publications that they cannot expose the naked truth is less than subtle. The message is that media can distract, even to the point of exploitation, but journalism has no place in free speech. If we can recognize this lunacy, and restore a balance, then porn will have done a great service to America.

I find it funny that it is a religious issue, and framed as such in the debate, since most porn use was initiated by the oppressive nature of American spirituality. If one is to believe creationism, Adam and Eve were happy, horny and naked in the tropics. What has happened since is almost entirely the result of dogma, and power.

The main arguments against porn are that it degrades women (especially) and that it encourages violence against women. That may all be true. But, taking the libertarian view here, lots of things in our free society can cause people to do violent things. Some real crazies probably are driven to violence after indulging in too much porn, but then again, the Bible inspires the crazies, too. Should we ban that?

Lots of things in our society are dangerous and deadly and yet few talk of banning the worst offenders. How many people die every year on our highways in car accidents? Isn't it about 40,000 a year? (not to mention the far greater number of injuries, trauma, etc.) Why not ban cars? Regardless of what porn might inspire a few crazy people to do every year, it pales in comparison to the damage done by cars.

We live in a free society, and that means accepting some things you don't like, even hate. It's OK to hate porn; it's not OK to want to ban it for that reason. If you want to ban everything that could hurt someone, start by banning cars.

Andrew

Or Republicans.

I'm with vitalogy. Nothing wrong with porn. As long as there are humans, there will be porn, period.

Anything potent is gonna bring some people to over-indulge. That will also be true as long as there are humans.

We kind of suck at that, overall.

Repressing these things does us way more harm than just dealing with them rationally.

It’s all about balance.

However…

Calling porn "entertainment" is questionable to me. I feel the same about violence especially in video games.

I firmly believe that our choices in our leisure time tell a lot about us personally. Not trying to preach here, but we dumb ourselves down with porn and violence while waving the "entertainment" flag.

Porn and violence are crap. Nothing more.

Why are we afraid to have more edifying entertainment choices? Not some mamby pamby junk but quality stuff?

I think this is where PBS and cable channels that provide informative entertainment understand that we don't need to go to the lowest denominator.

This is one of the reasons we watch very little TV in our house. We don't have cable and our TV set screen is 13 inches big. I just can justify buying a big flat screen TV. I want to make watching TV uncomfortable so we don't waste our time.

Well, there is perspective too. --and it depends on the violence and the porn in question, doesn't it?

I can't say porn is very high on my list of entertainment choices. Sometimes it is though.

To me, these things are an escape of sorts. Like anything, if one is escaping all the time, there's a problem there. Could be drugs, porn, games, food, anything!

People vary too. Their experiences, personalities and such vary widely.

Take that big TV screen. What if somebody sets one up, does the home theatre bit, and watches great movies, uses the screen for gaming, writing, etc...

The next guy watches football, porn and smash 'em ups.

Is either bad?

How about it being 20 percent of free time, 50, 90?

That's the key right there. IMHO, that's where the perspective is.

I know somebody with TV habits similar to yours. Small screen, no subscription TV, etc...

Their kid reads non stop, and a lot of it is crap! Still, reading crap is good, but there are diminishing returns. What's worse is when that kid gets around any potent media.

Obsessive to the MAX! He will pull a two or three day always up, plugged in and awake, if he can get away with it! (We set him up, and he did just that --scary!)

So some people have different needs too. Or maybe just different response levels.

I guess we agree more than not, but for the minimalist approach being the best one overall.

Heck, there is context too.

Raw violence or porn, presented for the sake of presenting it does not appeal to me much at all. However, either put into a greater context to enrich a solid story, really do!

Not everybody likes Disneyland all the time. Actually, Disneyland is the escape right, not real life.

How is Porn any different than a romance novel or a chick flick????
They are the same, it is an escape from reality that we all need every once in a while. (Im not saying that we all need Porn, but we do need an escape.
And Chris taylor, I love ya brother and respect you to death. BUT you ask why anyone would watch that crap. Well...For starters its hormones, I think the older a guy gets the less porn he watches.
But honestly, what guy doesn't like watching a beautiful naked women on the internet??(come on Chris, YOU were a teenager once) Its human nature, we are built that way, and we are built to want to have sex with these beautiful women. So watching Porn is really a normal thing, now being able to control yourself is another thing, thats when addiction comes in and THAT becomes a problem. But with any thing in life, moderation is the key whether its porn, caffeine, alcohol, ect.
Everyone has their vices in life, but moderation is the key.
just my 2 cents.

Here's the reality of pornography then it's introduced to young men. A lot of Women can't understand this. (From the abc link above):

"You're going to be disappointed in your future sex life, because it won't match up to porn."

If you think pornography is out of control, wait until "Verchual Sex" is in the main stream.

When my brother and I were about 10 or 11 yrs old my Presbyterian pastor father took us into his bedroom. We sat on the edge of his bed with my brother on side of him and me on the other.

He had a magazine in his hands and though I don't recall word for word what he said the gist was, "you're entering into a part of your life where you will be exposed to something’s you may have questions about. One of those things is how women are treated in certain magazines."

So my dad leans forward and opens up a Playboy. As he leans forward my brother and I lean back looking at each other as wide-eyed as you can imagine. Our father wanted to be the first to expose us to this type of "entertainment" in a controlled loving moment.

What a gift he gave us. For sure my brother and I talked about it for days. And for sure I have been exposed to porn throughout my life.

The first stag movie I ever saw was at a party off campus in college. I nearly threw up and had to leave.

I played in a 4 piece jazz band in high school and after one of our gigs we were at one the guy’s houses and he had hardcore porn magazines, which I had never seen before. As I was looking through the magazine pot was being passed around. I had never been exposed to that as well. I passed on the pot using the magazine as my defense.

I have never in my life purchased porn of any kind. Never saw the reason too. I have never been to a titty bar or strip joint. Again it never crossed my mind.

It’s not that I’m some kind of goody two shoes but I never really needed that kind of escape.

I have a sex drive just like any other male. I was girl crazy as a teen and went through some typical 20 something experiences. I had friends who hid their Playboy or Hustler under their mattresses.

I simply think porn is destructive and has no entertainment value. You may think otherwise.

Chris...
Everyone is different and thinking that porn is destructive is your opinion. That being said someone else might think the opposite of you. But does that make them a bad person?

I for one would NEVER hope my daughters read/look or watch it until they are ADULTS and able to make their own opinions on the subject.

Your core/religious beliefs hold you in check on the subject and there is NOTHING wrong with that. But not everyone has your values.

To me porn is just a ridiculous as some Horror movies and violent video games. I stay away from them BUT I know they are out there. That doesn't mean someone else might not call them entertainment.

Pornography, isn't bad for the viewer, but it supports an industry, that in many cases is very destructive to individual women, and some men.

"I simply think porn is destructive..."

You're not alone in believing that, Chris. There is plenty of evidence to support that view.

http://www.rossolson.org/pornography/whats_wrong_with.html

http://www.purelifeministries.org/index.cfm

Herb

Trixter-

To be honest this has nothing or very little to do about my personal religious values. I'd feel the same way if I were not a Christian. This is bad stuff in my opinion. You'll find many outside religious affiliations who believe the same.

As you stated we all come from different places and I truly respect your opinion.

It's about choices.

The Aussie's think different....

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/16/net_smut_ok/

Here is what I think is sick.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/804/804194p1.html

Again, it may be good for the viewer, but what about the men and women in the business, many who are not there willingly?

"Here is what I think is sick."

Don't think for a second that viewers start at the extremes. As with heroin users who began first using marijuana, for most who go there it's a slow and gradual descent into degradation.

But for a culture embracing the culture of death in the form of euthanasia and abortion, is it really any surprise? We've gone the way of Rome and are truly slouching toward Gomorrah.

Herb

I would bet that 99.9 percent of the people can handle viewing Porn, and have no ill affects, there may even be some theraputic positive affects. But that .1 percent can do serious harm.

The bottom line is the bible thumpers don't have any solutions either. That's why they harp on the same old tired issues.

Herb, I see you decided to chime in. You don't want euthanasia? Then DO something about the health care crisis!!!!!! It's the best health care no one can afford after all. Also, do something about pain management. One of the reasons we passed assisted suicide in this state was the issue of pain management. The prospect of suffering a painful death, tell me about all the christianity in that.

You are a prime example of what I'm talking about Herb. You really do think religion will solve everything. So that's what you do, preach. No practical solutions. At least when I come in here, I offer ideas that would actually help, but most people have yet to admit it costs money to live in a civilized society.

Nwokie: Pornography, isn't bad for the viewer, but it supports an industry, that in many cases is very destructive to individual women, and some men.

That's true, but lots of other professions are "destructive" to people. How about coal mining? How about college sports athletes who don't make the pros (or have a career-ending injury) and turn out not to have a real education? What about being in the music business and the pervasiveness of dangerous drugs? And of course, what about joining the US military or being a police officer? Porn is just one of many potentially hazardous professions that people can choose to go into - willingly.

but what about the men and women in the business, many who are not there willingly?

In America? Don't think there are any. Prove it.

I would bet that 99.9 percent of the people can handle viewing Porn, and have no ill affects, there may even be some theraputic positive affects. But that .1 percent can do serious harm.

True - what about the 0.1 percent of Bible readers like David Koresh who flip a lid? Should we consider banning the Bible too? Or should we shrug and accept that sometimes bad things happen in a free society?

Andrew

"The prospect of suffering a painful death, tell me about all the christianity in that."

Given the huge number of hospitals founded by Christian churches to alleviate pain and suffering, the ignorance of that statement is beyond breathtaking.

Herb

Nothing like porn to get a bunch of guys talking.

Yea...talking. That's what guys do with porn. Right.

This is not a religious issue with me at all.

How many here that are raising kids would encourage them to seek employment in the porn industry as a career goal?

Does that include designing new Bratz dolls?

Lets start first with the banning of comic books, pro wrestling, mixed martial arts, boxing, violent video games, violent cartoons, violent movies, violent television. Next lets ban gangster rap no wait all rap. Next lets ban the fatty foods, Alcohol lets ban that too, lets continue the war on drugs afterall marajuana is a gateway drug right? Lets ban the girls and womans magazines like Cosmo and others, pulp fiction, true crime novels, lets make a parking lot out of the middle east cause afterall that is the root of all our problems, lets banish those americans who are not of any faith. Close down the strip clubs, porn shops, porn production companies, erase all internet porn sites.

F'n a people. Were human and we are not flawless but we also have free will. Do it or don't do it. Its all a personal choice. If you are even a half assed intelligent adult you know the diference and at the very least if something is a potential harm to yourself.

Porn has been around forever. Its not going to go away. For some its an escape to a fantasy world, for some it is an aide, and for a small percentage it is indeed detrimental.

To say that it victimizes women in this country is for the most part ludicris. Look at one recent example of a stripper making good and moving on from an industry that was once probally for her a lucrative neccessity but who has now retired.

Diablo Cody is the Oscar winning screenwriter of the surprise hit of 2007 Juno. She thanked her family for always supporting her regardless. At least one set of people have it right.

Live and let live and don't judge based on one individuals personal choices. Don't shove it down my throat and I won't in return!

Here is some food for thought.

Good point LS. Thanks for sharing.

I never once called for a ban on anything. Porn has protection under free speech.

But with free speech comes responsibility too. We seem to forget this and say, "Boys will be boys." That's BS.

Porn degrades women and men. Show me where in porn you see a real caring, loving relationship.

My wife was forced to watch hardcore porn with her first husband. She hated it.

What I am reading here are very typical male responses. "It doesn't hurt anyone.... she loves it.... it pays good money."

Sorry guys but I have to take a stance. It's immaturity. It's 7-14 year boy mentality. And I believe there are better choices.

I have a VERy hard time believing that women are these poor innocint victims. NO WAY!
Women are smart, intelligent humanbeings that know EXACTLY what they are getting into. A Woman has a free will and can quit at any time she wants, nobody forced her to do porn, SHE chose to do porn.

The supreme court has said Porn does not have protection under free speech, the problem is defining what is porn.

chris says Sorry guys but I have to take a stance. It's immaturity. It's 7-14 year boy mentality. And I believe there are better choices"

And thats your opinion Chris, and Im glad we live in a society where everyone has their own opinions and can make their own choices. I don't see how one person can decide what is entertainment and what is not, based on personal preference.

Pornography, in addition to everything everyone else has noted, is big business. Lot$ of dollar$.

Any questions? Is anyone not understanding of why it remains the biggest internet business? The prurient interest of the human condition can not be legislated nor eliminated. Opinions, well, they're like a$$holes, everybody's got one.

IMO there's a big difference between Playboy and Hustler. I subscribe to neither. Porn is business. It's not supposed to be about a caring loving relationship. Of course, the afternoon soaps are hardly about loving caring relationships either. This entire discussion reminds me of an old Elias McDaniel (Bo Diddley) song called "Before You Accuse Me (Take A Look At Yourself)."

Just where does art become porn? Don't ask the Supreme Court, especially these days. But in all fairness, that's a question that has no definitive answer. Even amongst any group with similar values, that is a tough line to draw.

Also, a final thought for the most religious amongst the group that mistakenly behold themselves on a so called higher ground of morality .... read the bible, dudes. Sex. Cheating. Whores. It's all there. Had there been a printing press back then ... well, never mind.

So Justin you're an expert on women now? I would never make that claim myself.

So the woman in the video posted makes $800 a week. Feeds herself and 3 children. Let's break that down. $3200 a month. Take out 20 percent for taxes. Now it's 2560 per month. Lets now feed 4 people, pay rent or mortgage. Gas and maintenance for a car. Health insurance, if they can get any...and plenty other stuff.

Oh yeah her kids are in school. Does she make any of their after school events. Maybe some but she has to pay a sitter for her work nights.

That $3200 goes pretty fast. Okay let's give her some tip money too.

So how much does she put away for her future? Does she even have investments? What are the living conditions?

Let's look at the bigger picture.

Andy good points. For sure the bible has some pretty x-rated material and to be honest I'm don't always understand it's place. I have to go to biblical scholars and others who study the bible to try and get any perspective.

I'm not trying to take away anyones personal choices, let me be clear on that.

And I certainly don't plan on thumping a bible over anyones head to make my point.

"It's 7-14 year boy mentality."

You nailed it, Chris. And like so many other self-centered, degrading activities, it's also a dead end.

Herb

It can lead to a dead end I agree with that.

Porn is acting. Nothing more, nothing less. Dead ends can be found in any job, in any industry. A person making cold calls to sell radio advertising is no different than someone employed to act in porn films. They are getting paid to do a job that is a legal way to earn money for said talents.

"A person making cold calls to sell radio advertising is no different than someone employed to act in porn films."

There is a difference. The radio sales person is a whore. They are out to get your money and give you nothing. The actor performs the sex act for money.

I believe that both Andy and Chris have nailed some things that stretch beyond simply pornography.

Remember, that wonderful Socratic spiel by Laurie Anderson was done in the 1980s! This was during the days of Ronald Reagan. To pretend for a minute that we have advanced or abandoned our inner caveman is ludicrous. Porn is simply mainstream now, and the sweatshops are overseas.

If someone wants to be a porn star, cool. Many women have told me that porn can be very liberating. They insist that it is not inherently evil. Perhaps they are right, and we ought to accept that they feel these societal boundaries are silly. Or, maybe we should look deeper at the systemic problem. It might be most accurately described by a great American, Harriet Tubman:

"I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

Think about it. While Hugh Hefner was an immature fellow, as was his contemporary, Russ Meyer, they both sought to liberate women ---- um, eventually.

They approached the idea of feminism a bit like our aquarium saw Keiko the whale. Let us get some money, try to heal the wounds, get some money, get some folks thinking, get some more money, push the boundaries, etc.

They had this blind libertarian notion that they helped liberate women, when in fact, they were simply more imaginative at slavery than the other man. By the time Larry Flynt arrived, shock was all that was left to embrace, and he hugged it tight.

The reason that the industry has become acceptable is not just the desire of our leaders for additional distractions, or a paleo-feminist backlash. It is those things, but it is more. It exposes, and at the same time reinforces a system that is sexist from the top down. The deck is stacked and that takes me to my second point.

The difference is thousands of dollars a month between being an physically fit and educated stripper, porn star or a barista into your 40s. Millions of women are caught under a glass ceiling even at the entry level, so let's get real.

Because of the job market now, many young women who would never dream of porn as a career are in the industry for years. This also goes for strippers, escorts and other folks in the adult business. A job that they engaged for a few weeks to pay some big education or childcare bills becomes a long term commitment due to lack of opportunity.

Much of the pornography in the United States is centered in areas with a great deal of unemployed and underemployed young people. This is why suburban Los Angeles, Portland and Seattle are such popular places on the west coast.

College towns all over the nation are also popular haunts for producers. Many part-time actresses are students with plenty of brains and potential, but no real job market. When they graduate, the bleak reality of the dead end service industry can leave them stuck in porn, or stripping for even longer.

When we as a nation say to a young woman graduating from high school that the adult industry might be the only living wage option on the table, we are discounting the value of innocence and mental health to a developing young person. What begins as a girl just trying to make the rent, can often develop into an expense account that includes a pile of habits, and eventually, an unhappy ending.

However, pop music, a sister industry, has the exact same exploitation and the exact same problems. Women deserve a level playing field and real opportunities to not merely expose their bodies, but to express themselves from their souls.

Perhaps, we need to rethink entertainment.

Anyone who so fervently defends pornography then shouldn't have a problem if their sister or mother was involved.

If they reconsider that scenario, then at least their conscience has not yet been completely destroyed.

Play with fire and you'll get burned.

Herb

Littlesongs. Thank you for the refreshing overview. You put words where I could not.

I go back to my initial post and play off of what LS restates: "Perhaps, we need to rethink entertainment."

"Anyone who so fervently defends pornography then shouldn't have a problem if their sister or mother was involved."

I wouldn't want my mom or sister to be employed in a lot of jobs, including porn. However, that doesn't mean that they can't be legitimate jobs for those that are willing to look past the taboo, and dare I say, WANT to do it?

Do you consider the sweatshop conditions that allow you to shop at Walmart? Would you want your mom or sister employed in a sweatshop so you can save money on your bible cover that's made in China?

You've officially turned into a pretzel in your pathetic effort to defend deviant sexual behaviour.

Fact is, one is free to not shop in a Wal-Mart AND not engage in pornography.

Defending one bad choice by pointing to another is classic leftist claptrap.

Once again, a preposterous syllogism of false choices.

Herb

Nice dodge. And good use of some 10 cent words.

"Engage IN pornography"?

Hmmmm. Is that possible?

What about kissing? What about kissing in Wal Mart? Is that deviant?

P.S. The word "claptrap" is only worth 1.3 cents. Unless you actually get the "classic" clap, which is pretty much non-partisan.

Merk glad you're here. We need some input from a woman's perspective on porn.

I second that -- great to see you Mrs. Merkin.

Just to keep the ball rolling, Herb said syllogism, or was it syllogasm? That ol' Aristotle was a real horndog. :0)

I think he meant syllojizzm.

Syllogasm is worth at least a quarter.

(Love you guys!)

For someone who loves America so much, Herb sure has a problem with free speech - probably THE cornerstone of all American ideals. Must hate Voltaire too.

Yea, when you pick apart his last post, there is a lot of erotic innuendo...pretzel, anyone?

What a great thread!

(who knew)

And syllorgies, or is it syllorgii? are pure word-lovin' at it's finest!

C'mon, it's at least $0.50! Coined phrases are signature bits. More than worthy!

I agree. If we come up with some high value words, we might have enough change to buy Herb a burger and a Stella at the get-together. Along with our other observations, one could say that "claptrap" is a euphemism for VD. :0)

Charles Keating -- of the infamous Keating Five with John McCain -- has had an interesting career as a film producer. He must have needed to steal from the taxpayers to make a sequel to this mad mod masterpiece.

Is Voltaire any relation to Voltmeter?

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
-- Voltaire

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it works.
-- Voltmeter

"...this mad mod masterpiece."

Imagine the extensive research needed to produce such an influential film! 'Reading porn so you don't have to.'

A Voltaire measures the amount of electricity in the atmosphere. It is best used during lightning storms, or after rubbing a balloon on a head of hair, or while biting Wintergreen lifesavers in a darkened room. Other uses include base-jumping from radio towers and determining protection levels of assorted tin-foil hats.

First you hae to define Porn. I do not think people having sex is porn. People having sex with animals, or minors is porn. People being raped or tortured is porn.

A fairly liberal definition, Nwokie - it would include homosexual sex if I read you correctly.

I think some exceptionally graphic or perverse depictions of human-human sex could also be defined as porn.

What about people having sex, just for the sake of showing other people they are having sex?

To me, that's always been the line where I start to think, "yeah, that's porn."

One advantage of that kind of thinking is the nature of the sex is not really a defining element. Could be clean, nasty, aggressive, whatever. That's just subjective, and people think what they think.

The context however, is where we see porn or not.

So, a story is being told and sex is a part of the story. Is the sex the primary reason the story exists at all? Probably porn.

If the story is more substantial than the sex, and more importantly, would stand alone -even if diminished some, without it, then it's highly likely to not be porn.

The sex itself could be tame, or very lewd, does not matter. Only the context does, where calling it porn or not is concerned.

por·nog·ra·phy (pôr-nŏg'rə-fē) Pronunciation Key
n.
Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
The presentation or production of this material.
Lurid or sensational material: "Recent novels about the Holocaust have kept Hitler well offstage [so as] to avoid the ... pornography of the era" (Morris Dickstein).

I don't see anything with animals involed. I thought that would be called bestiality and that is just plain disgusting. BUT I don't see what is wrong with 2 people having sex. Sex is a beautiful thing, why is it so taboo in our country?? In Africa women walk around with their bare breasts hanging in the wind and nobody cares!! Why is the US such a sexually repressed/prude country where sex is so taboo????

The supreme court has ruled, for something to be pornographic, it must have no redeming social value. and the social standards are different by location. What may be pornographic in Tulsa Ok, may not be pornographic in San Francisco.

A couple having sex on a beach at 10:00 PM, is not the same thing as a couple having sex at 1:00 PM with a beach full of kids.

"Why is the US such a sexually repressed/prude country where sex is so taboo????"

I hate to be the one to open up a can of worms, Justin, but the answer to that question is the influence of right-wing America on the body politic as a whole.

The Puritans and the father dominated family structure still have a heavy hold on many Americans. I don't wish to ramble on too much about this. The same folks that refer to America as a "Christian Country" today in the 21st century have a cornucopia of hang-ups, and sex is one of them.

http://edstrong.blog-city.com/rightwing_america_boils_down_to_sexual_repression. htm

It is through the fears of the "moral majority," their ignorance towards the sciences and evolution, and their complete disdain for sexual relief (the procreation agenda) that has yielded so many repressed individuals in the American society.

http://www.libchrist.com/political/folly.html

There is a clear path back through history, but it all points to the early Christian leaders equating sex with sin. They went overboard. It wasn't enough for them that the Old Testament put forth the notion that a bride should be a virgin. It's all added up to the repression of the sexuality of women, mostly. The origins of the so called "double standard."

http://www.holysmoke.org/haught/sects.html

As my grandmother always told me, "What's good for the goose is good for the gander." I find it most interesting when the so called moral evangelists get caught with mistresses and prostitutes. Even the modern day right wing conservative news/talk show guys can't seem to practice what they preach.
Or maybe they just don't buy into the whole package.

http://www.bunnyranch.com/phpAlbum/main.php?cmd=album&var1=Sean+Hannity/&var2=0

Somewhere along the line, the practice of religion has splintered and many do not see the unhealthy practices it may foster. This phenomenon also may be seen in the day to day fear mongering that right wing politicians pride themselves on implementing.

http://benoverby.wordpress.com/2008/01/09/sexual-repression-its-real-cause/

My view is that the entire Christian guilt trip thing is the short answer to the problem for many. The religious rightists live their lives in fear of sin and hell. What a better world this would be if they would focus that energy on living and loving instead of living in fear.

http://www.askdanandjennifer.com/sex-intimacy/censorship-sexual-repression/sex-r eligion-and-hypocrisy-will-embracing-your-sexuality-offend-god/

Brainwashed in our childhood
Brainwashed by the school
Brainwashed by our teachers
and brainwashed by their rules

Brainwashed by our leaders
By our Kings and Queens
Brainwashed in the open and brainwashed
behind the scenes

God God God
A voice cried in the wilderness
God God God
it was on the longest night
God God God
An eternity of darkness
God God God
Someone turned out the spiritual light

Brainwashed by the Nikkei
Brainwashed by Dow Jones
Brainwashed by the FTSE
Nasdaq and secure loans
Brainwashed us from Brussels
Brainwashing us in Bonn
Brainwashing us in Washington
Westminster in London

God God God
You are the wisdom that we seek
God God God
The lover that we miss
God God God
Your nature is eternity
God God God
You are Existence, Knowledge, Bliss

The soul does not love, it is love itself
It does not exist, It is existence itself
It does not know, It is knowledge itself
"How to Know God" Page 130

They brainwashed my great uncle
Brainwashed my cousin Bob
They even got my grandma when she was
working for the mob
Brainwash you while you're sleeping
While you're in a traffic jam
Brainwash you while you're weeping
While still a baby in your pram
Brainwashed by the Military
Brainwashed under duress
Brainwashed by the media
You're brainwashed by the press
Brainwashed by computer
Brainwashed by mobile phones
Brainwashed by the satellite
Brainwashed to the bone

God God God
Won't you lead us through this mess
God God God
From the places of concrete
God God God
Nothing's worse than ignorance
God God God
I just won't accept defeat

God God God
Must be something I forgot
God God God
Down on Bullshit Avenue
God God God
If we can only stop the rot
God God God
Wish that you'd brainwash us too

~G. Harrison

To me, the display or exhibition of the sexual act by consenting adults explicitly for consenting adults is not the central issue. I firmly believe in the First Amendment. Different strokes for different folks as one might say. I just abhor how many of these women are treated, and the lack of opportunities for careers that pay a young woman as well as the adult industry. Outside of America, the story becomes exponentially sadder.

If you think that hot Slavic sweetie is looking demure and a little frightened in a sexy way, you are letting fantasy cloud your uptake. There is probably a gun nearby to insure her performance, no guarantee she is of age, and no way to know if she was simply offed when she stopped cooperating.

You like those Asian girls, eh? Well, if she looks like a college-age San Diego beach bum with a nice tan and a nicer convertible, her life might be alright. If she looks like English is not even her second language, check yourself. She ought to be in school, but somebody rented her out to the photographer for a while.

The dismal reality is that the vast majority of overseas porn is just a part of the profits from prostitution, kidnappings, human trafficking and sexual slavery. I hope it makes you think before you click.

My guess is that the hottest porn in the world is what a couple cooks up together. Two people having fun with a sense of love and adventure. They know what they like and they do it all by themselves and just for themselves. Our current technology can enable folks with that kind of bent to bend that way.

Truth be told, down the road, I bet some grammas and grandpas would cherish a glimpse of their wild and carefree youth. Sure, it might not earn anybody outside of the camera makers a dime, but like good cooking, homemade is always the best. Just remember, don't hide it in a Barney case when the grandkids are around the DVD player. :0)

I love you...you love me...

Anything defined as pornographic by the supreme court is illegal, however there should be another catagory, if someone is truly forced into making a film, or other medium, than that should also be illegal.

And there is another catagory, how about people filmed without their knowledge When I lived in the USVI, our head accountant, liked to take his new video camera to the beachs early in the morning, and hide in the bushes, so he could film unsuspecting tourists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test

how about people filmed without their knowledge "

Video surveillance in public places is legal as long as there is no audio being recorded.

Yes it is legal, that doesn't make it right.

It doesn't make it wrong either.

Yeah, it makes it legal!

Sheesh.

In Oregon it's 100% LEGAL to video tape in public restrooms as long as the camera is pointed away from the toilet.