There is mounting evidence, Earth is headed for another Ice Age. In todays Oregonian it says:

"Cool weather has prevented ice on Wallowa Lake from melting, but a bigger problem is the snow in The Eagle Cap Wilderness ISN'T MELTING."

Read the entire article here:

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1209174909105040.x ml&coll=7

It is true, but its a relatively isolated incident, not likely to repeat next year. Meanwhile ice shelves the size of states break off regularly in Antartica while up north the polar cap thaws out completely during the summer and Greenland is, well, becoming more and more green.

Besides, Al Gore backs me up and he's a Nobel prize winner, and Oscar winner and the inventor of the internet.

Yes and no one wants to talk about the coming ICE AGE because it's NOT nice & warm. It's FREEZING COLD and that's far more SCARY. Read more about here:

Is The New Ice Age Under Way?

"The onset of an Ice Age is not marked by global cooling."

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/Ice_Age.html

I'll have to read that and get back to you "Day After Tomorrow".

Science Schmience

I thought it was Global WARMING....

History shows the cycle between ice ages includes periods of extreme warning. What's the big news, here? We haven't reached any peak or null and probably won't for thousands of years. Get over it.

extreme warning???

Like Yellow and Red ALERTS from FAUXNews???

Ummmmmm OK, so why are the polar caps melting if we are entering another ice age?

Mixed signals is not without precedent.

Global warming will peak before the ice age dominates.

To the global warming crowd, the sky is always falling.

Herb

" To the global warming crowd, the sky is always falling."

Your aplomb is bass ackwards, Herbie.

It's those who are in complete denial of the effects of the industrial revolution in the developed world and the coming of the industrial age to the third world that actually fear the documentation of technology's contribution to the polluting of the planet. The proof is out there, Herbie, but the right wing has always been owned and trained like a poodle by the large companies and organizations that are against government action. A more self righteous group never existed than those that can not see the writing on the wall. The constant refutation of reliable science is the motus operandi of right wing conservatives because it does not serve their greed. It's clear that the Earth still has some of us as allies. It is somewhat perplexing that the so called group of players in denial would include you, a devout Christian whom is clearly ignoring some of The Lord's most relevant creation, our Earth. Clearly you are not as informed as you might think.

"A smaller group of us—10 leading scientists and Evangelicals—accompanied by a NOW film crew, has recently returned from Alaska, where some of the Earth's most dramatic and easily seen changes caused by global warming are occurring. Glaciers are melting rapidly, contributing to sea level rise; sea ice and permafrost are fast disappearing, threatening many species like polar bears with extinction and exposing some Native Inupiat coastal communities to massive erosion and great human suffering; streams and rivers are becoming too warm for salmon to spawn; and million of acres of spruce trees have been dying, infested by bark beetles whose populations have exploded secondary to the warming.

We left changed people, more convinced than ever that scientists and Evangelicals had to speak with one voice and do everything in their power to save this indescribably beautiful and precious gift we have all been given."

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/343/protect-creation.html

We are stewards of this Earth, and the sooner you and those that think so little of this wonderful planet that we call home wake up and smell the roses, the better off we all will be.

Be it "Global Warming" or "Global Cooling" this is a nasty little secret the government has been hidding. They've known about this slowly happening for decades. The bigger secret, the Ozone Depletion is far worse than being said. Our government, not wanting to cause a world panic, not to mention the economic fallout from information like this, has played dumb, or in some cases embracing the idea WE can do something, when in reality it's spinning out of control! Our environment will continue to deteriorate at an ever quickening pace in the future.

Here's more on our Ozone Depletion from April 22, 2008:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_linda_sc_080421_dangerous_ozone_depl.htm

The next "Ice Age" will happen sooner than you think! Summer 2009 will see the coming of the next "Ice Age".

Stewards of the earth is one thing.

Believing man causes so-called 'global warming,' or 'cooling,' or whatever the left calls it this week, is something else.

And worshipping the created earth, as opposed to the Creator, is something even more far out.

Even pagans worship the earth.

Herb

Herb, God created the Earth and that is why it is worshipped by all who praise him for doing that.

Ok.

Good point, Captaindan.

Herb

And "GOD" is not without checks and balances in that creation:

God was missing for six days. Eventually, Michael, the archangel, found him, resting on the seventh day.
He inquired of God.
"Where have you been?"
God sighed a deep sigh of satisfaction, and proudly pointed downwards through the clouds, "Look, Michael. Look what I've made."
Archangel Michael looked puzzled, and said, "What is it?"
"It's a planet," replied God, "and I've put Life on it. I'm going to call it Earth and it's going to be a great place of balance."
"Balance?" inquired Michael, still confused.
God explained, pointing to different parts of earth.
"For example, northern Europe will be a place of great opportunity and wealth, while southern Europe is going to be poor. Over there I've placed a continent of white people, and over there is a continent of black people. Balance in all things,"
God continued pointing to different countries.
"This one will be extremely hot, while this one will be very cold and covered in ice."
The Archangel, impressed by God's work, then pointed to a land area and said,
"What's that one?"
"Ah," said God
"That's Washington State, the most glorious place on earth. There are beautiful mountains, rivers and streams, lakes, forests, hills, plains, and coulees. The people from Washington State are going to be handsome, modest, intelligent, and humorous, and they are going to be found traveling the world. They will be extremely sociable, hardworking, high achieving, and they will be known throughout the world as diplomats, and carriers of peace."
Michael gasped in wonder and admiration, but then proclaimed,
"What about balance, God? You said there would be balance."
God smiled,

"There is another Washington...wait until you see the idiots I put there."

"AMEN"

Herb sez: "Believing man causes so-called 'global warming,' or 'cooling,' or whatever the left calls it this week, is something else."

Ok. Damn you God for creating coal-fired power plants belching toxic chemicals in the air. What about the health of our unborn babies!!!! Damn you, damn you, damn you!

There. Lets place the blame on God, where it belongs!

To believe that pollution, disappearing rain forests, exponential population growth, asphalt jungles covering the crust, toxic waste, etc etc, are not man-made factors which contribute to our climate changes is about as bright as "W".

"Believing man causes so-called 'global warming,' or 'cooling,' or whatever the left calls it this week, is something else."

You can not deny the abundance of facts in this matter.
You may choose to disagree, however it is clear that you have nothing to support your belief that these facts are wrong, and that includes a large majority of your fellow Evangelicals.

So, who gets the credit or blame when Hell freezes over?

Little Nicky.

NOPE!


Clinton!!!

The Eagles.

The climate is a complex system of feedback loops. Small changes to any one system can have magnified impacts on other related systems.

Craig, I read both of your links and I have to say I'm a bit skeptical... not because I disagree with their conclusions, but because of their methods. For example, they talk about the glacier on Mt. Ranier growing, but ignore the fact that just about every other Cascade glacier is shrinking, and has been since the end of the little ice age. And link number two lost me when they started talking about contrails.

All that being said, it's very possible that "global warming" is just the first phase of ice age onset. There was a PBS documentary produced in the past couple years detailing how global temperatures are moderated by the oceanic currents, which act as a conveyor belt to transport heat from the tropics to the middle lattitudes (this is why Europe is much warmer than similar lattitudes elsewhere on earth - the Gulf Stream).

They discussed how polar melting (as we are witnessing now) can disturb the ocean currents, causing them to lose effectiveness in transmitting heat. The end result is a shutdown of those currents, which eventually would cause greater temperature extremes between the tropics and poles. It's not hard to imagine how the next step might be massive glaciation.

It doesn't take much intelligence to see that arguing about the minutiae of localized weather variations is missing the point. The point is that man's input on the climate system *is* having an impact, and that impact is both unknown and uncontrolled(not to mention totally reckless).

>> Captaindan: So, who gets the credit or blame when Hell freezes over?
>> Andy_brown: The Eagles.

Right. So "Get Over It" already, people!!

But what cracks me up the most in this whole junk-science laden, overly politicised "Global Warming" thing is all the discussion of trying to eliminate carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Here's an idea: what if we all hold our breath................













*** keels over from autoasphyxiation ***

Tadc: "And link number two lost me when they started talking about contrails."

Why did that loose You?

Because of the crackpot factor.

Not to say that the government *isn't* spraying us with chemicals from high altitude, but I have yet to see anything but paranoid ranting on the subject.

Tadc: What would convince You?

Verifiable facts, something from a reliable source, or even a coherent explanation of the motive or mechanism behind said spraying.

I just looked again, and the closest that particular article seems to come is arguing that UV levels are high at the same time as many contrails are seen, and speculation that the contrails are being generated in order to increase cloud cover. That makes very little sense to me, since A) logic dictates that increased cloud cover would cause LESS UV radiation to reach the ground, and B) "ordinary" contrails have been shown to increase cloud cover without the benefit of chemical additives.

"Verifiable facts, something from a reliable source"

Verifiable in Your opinion, I'm guessing.

What would You consider a reliable source? The U.S Government?

US Government? Most certainly not!

I'd be willing to start with verified by anybody. I can't say that I've actively researched the topic, but (like I said before) I've never seen anything on the subject that didn't come across as unfounded paranoia.

I suspect from your reserved questioning that you feel differently. Care to take a crack at a cogent argument in favor? Who is doing it? How are they doing it? WHY are they doing it?

From what I've heard, the Chemtrails are being seen all over the world. If there is an ozone problem, there would have to be a world wide assault on the depletion and that's what's being reported.

To spread so much chemical into the air would never to be oked by the general public. And what would that say about our general earth condition? It would cause panic in some circles. Protests of manufacturers who are making the problem worse.

Here's a link to Chemtrails 101:

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Chemtrail_101.html

Tadc, here are the Oregon statutes that cover weather modification. As you can see, some of this legislation dates back to the 1950s. After advances during the Cold War, this issue was so complex and potentially volatile that the United Nations ratified planet wide standards in 1977 that were later written into U.S. law. Technology has taken huge leaps and bounds in 31 years.

Proponents of weather modification have their own organizations like the Weather Modification Association and the North American Interstate Weather Modification Council. The WMA was founded in 1950 and NAIWMC in 1975 to promote the practice in the United States and to lobby congress. Legislators have been happy to oblige.

Weather modification is a world-wide industry with corporations like Stroyproject in Bulgaria, Etheric Rain Engineering in Singapore, and WET International based in Turkey and currently operating in Colorado. The United States has domestic companies like North American Weather Consultants in Utah and Weather Modification Inc. in North Dakota. State programs are in place around the country in places like Nevada and Oklahoma.

As for government involvement, one would assume that it is exclusively focused on saving crops, forests and watersheds. Unfortunately, that has not been the only thrust in the development of climate modifying technologies. You might begin by reading this study presented to the Air Force twelve years ago. Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025 seems like a clear enough title.

With so much information available that falls into the realm of scientific study, or advances in the business of weather modification, or six decades of proposed military applications, there is far more to this issue than meets the eye. It might be easy to pass off the whole idea as a tinfoil hat or kool-aid cocktail, but something is definitely going on whether we know all of the facts or not.

Not only is our sky acting strange, but something is going on deep under water. Scientists are trying to figure out if a volcano is being born in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of Newport. This is an amazing timelapse of a recent cluster of eartquakes. You can visit the Vents Program at NOAA for even more information. Also, the News Guard in Lincoln City just published an article on the study and the voyage of the Wecoma.

Not only is something strange going on off the coast of Newport, but the Reno area is experiencing unusual earthquake activity, and the Bakersfield area has suddenly entered the picture with earthquake activity.

Is the West Coast finally getting ready to slide off into the Pacific?

Hollywood, here's a new script for you.

Hopefully just Berkeley will slide off into the Pacific!

Craig- The problem is that there's no easy way to discern "chemtrails" from contrails, and the methods suggested in that link are far from definitive. In fact I have a hard time believing that a substance sprayed from tens of thousands of feet up would a) fall straight down onto you, and b) be detectable by smell after that kind of dispersal.

I'm afraid that link falls pretty firmly into the tinfoil hat category from my point of view. There's nothing but heresay and vague allusions to proof.

Littlesongs- I'm open to the possibility of human impact on the weather, but last I checked there hadn't been a lot of success in that arena. Also, it doesn't explain the whole "they're trying to poison us" aspect.

Tadc said: "In fact I have a hard time believing that a substance sprayed from tens of thousands of feet up would a) fall straight down onto you, and b) be detectable by smell after that kind of dispersal."

Chemtrails are falling to the ground. Remember when Mt. St. Helens blew? The winds took the plum around the world. Now think of that on a smaller scale being done every day somewhere in the world. After years of spraying the entire world, there's no place to hide, it's everywhere and for some, it's making them sick.

"tinfoil hat category"

Don't mock it -- a tinfoil hat will protect you from chemtrails!