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I might as well vote for McCain.

He isn't going to bring the troops home and neither would Hillary have done so. That was merely fodder to feed the radical left in order to get the nomination.

This fact finding mission to Iraq is so he can now start changing his position. If he does so, I might even become interested in voting for him, because it might signal that he has a brain after all.

Not only does Obama have the brains he's willing to listen to others who have brains as well. Unlike Bush, Obama wants to do the right thing and not the careless thing that brought us into this conflict.

If the timeline is changed but ultimately we are no longer occupying the country then it's all good.

But I just can't wait to see how much spinning you'll do on this one Deane. It's your M.O.

I don't plan to do any spinning. Obama is likely going to be the next President. I want him to be successful and I'll be cheering on any successes he has. If he has a winning hand, then America wins and I win.

That's how I'm different than the liberal lemmings.

Well now...all that other stuff from the other threads won't be infiltrating here then eh? That will be refreshing.

So to keep on with this thread, he might have been doing some political posturing, what candidate doesn't, however like the article says, Obama has been against this war from the start.

And with the possibility of him being President don't you think the smart thing to do is to end it in a way that best for all. And do you think that can actually happen in Iraq?

"don't you think the smart thing to do is to end it in a way that best for all"

That's always the best way. It appears he is now beginning to realize that pulling the troops out is not the best way, which it isn't.

Those that let the media define the candidate through sound bites and edited newscopy are the true lemmings.

The media serves its own bottom line interests and is hardly a solid reference upon which to gauge potential policy of any candidate.

If one would take the time to read actual policy statements issued by candidates rather than get all hot and bothered by what the media feeds the public, you would notice that so called large departures from stated policy are few. In the instant case, Obama never proposed anything but a phased withdrawal and has constantly pointed out the need for Afghanistan to receive a higher priority than under the current administration.

You can all waste your time sniping at each other about who said what first and who said later something different. It is clear to even the most casual of observers that Iraq was a huge deception by the Bush administration, however, that said, finding the path out won't happen overnight.

What should be important is what the next president does after being inaugurated. Elections and election tactics are traditionally inconsistent as any candidate will attest to. You have to make up your mind who you think will do the best job under pressure. Unfortunately, Mr. McCain's temper and abandonment from key positions upon declaring his candidacy indicates to me he has departed much further from his core values in order to be the Republican candidate. Obama, on the other hand, holds a distinct advantage on the Iraq issue as having been opposed to it initially and to be open to how we will proceed once Bush is out of the way. Those of you that don't realize that many of our major problems in the U.S. stem from the deceptively conceived, failed and mismanaged effort in Iraq owe it to yourself to understand the connection and realize there is no magic bullet solution. If you care about taking care of the veterans, stopping the corporate giveaways, harnessing escalating health care costs, and repairing the infrastructure of our own nation then I suggest there is only one clear candidate to vote for.

Andy, it's people like you who drive people like me away from supporting people like Obama.

The war in Iraq will end sooner and more successfully under Obama than McCain. And it's refreshing to see someone that's willing to listen and make decisions based on facts, rather than a gut feeling or a conversation with a made up god.

"Andy, it's people like you who drive people like me away from supporting people like Obama."

SOB SOB

"it's refreshing to see someone that's willing to listen "

He has to listen. He has no experience. He doesn't know anything. He has no resume.

SOB SOB

No Deane, it's your own ignorance and narrowmindedness that drives people like you away from supporting people like Obama.

It took Nixon nearly four years to get the United States out of Vietnam, so if experience matters, I didn't work for President Nixon. His whole "secret plan" to end the war coupled with the peace with honor rhetoric was just that, empty rhetoric.

OK Vitalogy, thanks for clearing that up.

Anytime, Deane.

The good news is that it will be possible to get the country on the correct path without your support, Deane. Without your concurrence, endorsement, agreement nor liking, the mess your political theology has wrought will be fixed. Find a rock. Crawl under it. You and your politics are about to be extinguished.

Oh that's right, Obama's lack of experience. It's just wonderful to look at the person who is not currently in office as the potential problem, than hold accountable the person who has been in office.

The lame duck President excuse won't work here either Deane.

"I want him to be successful and I'll be cheering on any successes he has."

Deane, you made this statement, then all the following statements you made here totally contradicted it. That's why "people like you" can't be trusted.

But we will remember you said this. Oh yes.

"Deane, you made this statement, then all the following statements you made here totally contradicted it."

He hasn't had any successes yet. Damn, you liberals are one slippery bunch.

Let me clarify for you. I should have said:

"The statements you made following that indicated your real attitude, which would make me believe your previous statement was, well bullshit."

Is that better?

Have a Happy 4th.

You look at the current travesty we have in office and wonder -- how the hell did this moron get elected president? Senator Obama has more experience on national and international affairs than did George W. Bush when he began president. But again, George W. Bush is just plain dumb. He radiates a level of illiterateness that makes the world stagger in disgust. Contrast that with the intellectual presence of Senator Obama. Quite frankly, the difference is so remarkable its had to fathom that George W. Bush could have been elected dog catcher, let alone president. But that would be an insult to dog catchers.

Author: Deane_johnson
Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 1:16 pm

"Obama is likely going to be the next President. I want him to be successful and I'll be cheering on any successes he has. If he has a winning hand, then America wins and I win."

Author: Deane_johnson
Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 2:29 pm:

"Oh goody gum drop. Another chance to bash Bush.

You do realize don't you that Obomba's turn is coming and I intend to be up at bat often."

Deane is a big a fill flopper as John McCain. Hypocrites to the front of the line.

No flip flopping there. When he's wrong I'll be there with a post. When he's right and has some success, I'll cheer him on. The difference between me and the libs is that I'm not filled with hate.

Good spin. You should apply for a job at the Bush White House. They need another expert double talker.

"The difference between me and the libs is that I'm not filled with hate."

That's a laugher. Hate is exactly what you are filled with. Consumed by. You hate to be shown how wrong your thought process is, especially in the misdirected conclusions you draw. You hate the fact that your party dropped the ball and it shows in your inconsistent behavior on this forum.

Andy, do you have a license to practice psychiatry, or are you just boot legging.

Guess.

I'd say something, but I think it's all been said.

I'd love to cheer Bush's successes, but I haven't' seen any.

"He (Obama) hasn't had any successes yet. Damn, you liberals are one slippery bunch."

I would count beating out Hillary to win the nomination as a success he can notch on his bedpost.

Where's my NoBama 08 sticker when I need it?

So McCain is your guy then?

What's he gonna do for us that really matters, as in "damn, I'm missing the boat, I better vote for this guy!".

I'll give you time. Just list those top five things that makes a McCain vote more than an Obama vote.

Missing your gonna be waiting an eternity.

My dad a staunch republican who can't say why he identifies with republicans finally admitted to me the other day that McCain no longer stands a chance in hell of winning the presidency. I was shocked needless to say.

I've heard that from a staunch one or to myself. That's our Republican legacy right there!

Republicans are doing more to promote Democrats than they ever could!

Not that I'm complaining.

And that's my point with all these attempts to marginalize Obama. He basically stands ready to fully and completely clean McCain's clock. No question.

So, the GOP takes it in the sack, can't find anybody solid to run on their behalf, ends up with McCain, who is either too old, too dumb, or too determined to know better than try to run for another batch of Republican policy.

The burden is on anybody not supporting Obama to demonstrate why their choice is the better one, not to prove that Obama is not a good choice.

To accept that means we have no good choices, leaving everybody an out to vote for their pet issues.

We are supposed to address those issues through our process, not slam them home with a god dammed numbers game.

Come on Broadway, McCain doesn't suck? Why?

My father, a lifelong Republican in the mold of Barry Goldwater, find George W. Bush one of the most repugnant politicians of his generation. George W. Bush's lack of economic discipline and his relationship with the evangelical right are major reasons why he finds George W. Bush so destructive.

Talpdx, where did you go wrong?

You mean where did he wake up.

Besides, it's not even questionable how bad a president Bush, the leader of the Republican Party, is.
Defending him and/or them, Deane, is the broken keystone in the arch of your logic.

Have a happy July 4th.

Got a chuckle out of some hapless guy with a Nobama sticker on his SUV...which was out of gas on 205 the other day...causing a mile backup...

I've got no problem with a politician allowing facts on the ground to refine his policy. We're in this huge pickle because of politicians who put policy ahead of facts.

No Deane, it's where I went right. Given that thinking for yourself must be a foreign concept to someone like you, I can only say it must suck being so gullible. Now go read your talking points, the GOP needs another witless sucker to pontificate their hapless message.

"Talpdx, where did you go wrong?"

It's called education.
You should try it.
It's the only known cure for ignorance.

>>I'll give you time. Just list those top five things that makes a McCain vote more than an Obama vote.

come on I'm still BBQing for the weekend...

Take all the time you need!