What value system is best for people to get along/make a country great?

Let the keyboards humm.

The one that allows for each of us to have our own?

I'm confused about "value system". What does that mean to you Broadway?

Treat others as you'd like to be treated.

Respect our freedoms and the choices others make thanks TO those freedoms.

Live and let live.

>>What does that mean

ethic values...moral code.

How about a government of the people, by the people, and for the people instead of one just for an elite few!

Given the previous threads started by Broadway, I can only assume that this is going to lead to " the Bible " in some way.

Am I far off?

At the risk of sounding cliché, I think that the founders of this country did a lot of work trying to answer this question when they put together the Constitution. Largely, I think that were spot-on about the fundamentals. I think that they really had it right when they said that the document wasn't finished because it did not discuss the rights of citizens and the added the Bill of Rights.

I don't know the answer to some of the finer points about the optimum value system, but I don't think that anyone else does, either. I have some ideas about where things ought to go, but these aren't infallible.

ah come on...just making sure you guys are awake behind the PC!

" just making sure you guys are awake behind the PC! "

Oh.

Neat then.

That was fun; Bring up a semi-serious topic, realize that you are only holding a 2 and a 9, off suit, bluff at the flop. Get called - not even raised.

Fold.

Indian Poker up next? I don't even know what I am showing and I think I can beat your Joker that you thought was supposed to be in the deck.

So to answer your question - Gambling. That's the value system at play here. Gambling.

a penny for your thoughts please...speaking of value systems...no pun intended.

Ok then.

I think the posts above sum it up rather well.

I would add that I really liked how Obama put moral matters and the law together. First, we take the time to express ourselves in unambiguous language that is common to all, then we engage in robust debate.

You mention "value system". It sounds like you want to only consider prepackaged "systems".

I don't think I could pick any particular existing system but I could assemble my own system, though it would take some time and a short novel worth of writing to detail out.

> You mention "value system". It sounds like you want to only consider prepackaged "systems".

This is an interesting semantic question. Is it important that the original question asked "what value system," rather than "which values" or "which principles?" In practice, I think that with the exception of some very rigid, theocratic communities, most human societies end up "cherry-picking" the values and taboos that they enforce. When they codify such values into law, they create their own prepackaged value systems.

"The one that allows for each of us to have our own?"

That one is also called anarchy.

No it isn't.

" That one is also called anarchy."

That's a lie. If it were true, we'd be in anarchy right now. And if you think we are in anarchy right now, then so be it. You can think that. But it would be yet another lie.

CJ, what is it you don't have now that you want.

If you are looking for the best value system, most people I know would whole-heartedly recommend a Dell box. Of course, owing to the deviations Dell seems to make from the regular ATX form factor, I would recommend avoinding buying a Dell brand-new if at all possible....really the only way you can get the best value from a Dell is to buy one, used, for $10 at Goodwill. Of course, that's how I acquired my Optiplex a coupla months ago.............

(Avoid Gateway systems at all cost!! They aren't worth the hassle. Ask me later if you want to read some of my horror stories involving Gateways.....)

But if you want a fully ATX-compliant system (I hope!) for the best value, by all means you should build your own......that's what I did to obtain my Mandriva/UbStudio box a year and a half ago, from components donated by neighbours and friends. I know of someone in one of the neighbourhoods near Tower Mall who's selling used computer stuff, parts and other things for *real* cheap right now!

Personally as for "making the country great" really any value system running either Redhat or Debian (or some variant thereupon) is tops, I think.

Just my $2 worth (after inflation).

(At least I assume this is what you meant by your headline and opening post, about "best value system for getting along and making the country great", Broadway....... ;o)




"That one is also called anarchy."
And that's why we have Phrack......

> "The one that allows for each of us to have our own?"

That is a pretty broad description that excludes a few political philosophies but does not adequately define any one political philosophy. This is under the assumption that "our own" refers to private property. Communism, Marxism, etc. are the philosophies excluded.

" CJ, what is it you don't have now that you want."

To answer your question; Nothing.

But I am beginning to suspect that we are all talking about different things here. I think I have interpreted the question much differently than others.

I am defining " value system " as - a guide that I use, that I made based on expereinces and beliefs, to help me make choices in my own life.

How is anyone / everyone else defining it?

I thought of "value system" as any set of principles, rules, or guidelines that one would follow as a standard for one's conduct. Then, Edselehr brought in the distinction between "prepackaged" value systems and the effective value system that one might operate under (i.e. the set of principles, rules or guidelies that YOU follow, which may come from different sources).

I've always thought the good old "Golden Rule" was all you needed.

He who has the Gold makes the Rules?????

This thread is so ambiguous that it makes me have to pee. And I find value in being able to do that in America.

Ambiguity makes you want to pee? When you have to use a unisex public bathroom, are you in there a long time?

My value system prohibits me from entering unisex bathrooms.

So does my probation officer.

I have no problem sending my spayed dog in a unisex bathroom.