Wow fab-boo
OK
Ho hum
Big Deal
Doesn't matter

3 electoral votes...ring 'em up!

This will be interesting...she's a straight conservative that did'nt run against McCain so no ammo there...plus she looks great on TV which doesn't hurt.

Plus she'll be leaving her 4 month old son with Down's Syndrome to campaign.

Hurts.

"she looks great on TV which doesn't hurt"

Good to know you haven't risen above the sexist comments.

>>leaving her 4 month old son

babies are pretty portable at that age and I'm sure she is taking steps to have him on the road/having support to do so...run Sarah run!

Frankly, I'm surprised at you, Broadway. You care about her looks, which is so 1950's and sexist, but have no problem with her making her newborn baby her second priority.

This pick shows the depseration of the McCain camp. Should McCain die while in office, she would be president? I don't think so.

Not to mention, this lady thinks that if you get pregnant, you should be forced to give birth EVEN if the child is mentally retarded. Any Hillary voter that decides to vote for McCain as a result of her being on the ticket is completely nuts.

>>You care about her looks

you mean you did'nt notice...and if I said she was a babe would that be better? Good grief...with all the profanities posted here daily...well nuff said.

>>making her newborn baby her second priority.

thats speculation on your part..not mine...and I think most of the country is just fine with it...in fact the liberals just said a positive about her...if she can manage 5 kids she's pretty "well qualified to manage anything"
from CNBC!

From Electoral-Vote.com:

Palin is involved in an ethics scandal. Her sister was married to a state trooper named Mike Wooten. The two of them got divorced and were involved in a bitter child custody battle. Sarah wanted to help her sister so she asked the state commissioner of public safety, Walt Monegan, to fire Wooten. He refused, so she fired him. He protested so loudly that the Republican-controlled state legislature appointed a retired prosecutor, Steve Branchflower, to investigate whether she abused her power as governor. Needless to say, Monegan is about to get a small army of reporters camped on his doorstep. It seems very strange indeed that McCain wants to be associated with someone under investigation for an ethics violation. The Democrats are going to say: "More of the same."

So, by choosing a one term governor of a sparsely populated state as the VP of a sick, senile, cancer-ridden 72 year old fossil President,
have the Republicans effectivly taken the "experience" arguement off the table?

She looks like a man!

I wonder if Cindy McCain is getting worn out, so ole Johnny Boy is going to throw her over the side for this gal after he loses. After all, that's his history.

Oh gosh, sorry, that was a cheap shot.

But fun, nonetheless!

Good question Warner.
I wonder how many houses she has.

Game over!
Looks like the Republicans gave up. I guess the nomination of Biden was the last push of the dagger.

and the presentation last night.

It's hard to figure the choice. She's not going to gain the disgruntled Hillary voters because I'd bet most of them are pro-choice, and she is definitely not pro-choice. She is not that experienced which should result in a huge backlash from the Obama campaign after McCain was so vocally critical of Obama's perceived inexperience.

I don't get it, other than to think McCain's doing his best rendition of Michael Spinks going up against Mike Tyson.

It was Michael Spinks up against Mike Tyson.

As for McCain do I hear "Jumped the Shark"?

Her only claim to fame is not allowing the Bridge to no where to be built.

correction noted.

Thank you.

I think she may be the anti-christ.

When you look at the possible choices McCain had, this one's as good as any.

I can't wait for the VP debate. That should be great sport.

As much as I hate to say it, I think McCain made the wrong choice.

I don't know who the right choice is, but it needed to be someone very strong in the Republican Party.

I also don't think any of the former candidates that McCain beat out would be good choices.

Not to sound sexist, but at this point and as close as the race is, I don't think a woman is a wise choice. There are too many people who won't vote for them just because she's a woman.

I'm still going to vote for them because I never have and never will vote for a Democrat but I think McCain may have just turned the tables pretty big time.

Bummer.

Now is the time to begin hiding your wallets, guns and unborn babies. None of them will be safe after next January.

" I don't know who the right choice is "

As easy as it is for me to armchair this topic, I have to agree. It's not that I was against anyone Republican. I just couldn't think of anyone that I would be " OK - I can see how that would work for all of us a little better."

I think a woman WAS the right choice. Think of all the women who were Clinton supporters, and are not into Obama. This is a good way to have them switch over to the republican party.

If 52%of voters are women, than I don't think this was a bad idea at all.

Now don't get me wrong, I would write "paris Hilton" on my ballot before I would vote for Mccain. If someone came and put a gun up to my head and said "YOU must vote for Mccain" I still wouldn't.

Nothing Republican works for anyone but the wealthiest Americans, period. Study history and you will see why the GOP has been tagged as the party of the wealthy. It's not a myth.

With no national political experience, this is another McCain mistake. In combo with his age, the choice should have been a seasoned politician. No pick would be perfect, since politicians are always assailable on some weakness. But this is a horrible choice. There's no way around that.

Note to Skybill: Clearly you aren't paying attention to what's been going on. Your wallet has already been picked by the Republicans for the last 8 years, your guns were never at risk, in fact the bad guys have been allowed to arm up under the Republicans, and if you're so concerned about unborn babies go back and read the history of the topic and you will find that when abortion is prohibited outright, women die from complications and are coerced into terminating their pregnancies. Keeping this option available means that abuse may be prevented.

That's presuming the women supporters of Clinton will vote for a woman just because she's a woman. The fact is Clinton and Palin are similar only in that they are women. Their positions on most issues are completely in opposition with one another. McCain strategy of attracting the disaffected Hillary supporters may gain a few, but overall most women supporters of Clintons will realize the major differences and throw their support Obama's direction.

I think that pretty much sums up the Conservative attitude on this.
They believe women are stupid enough to choose gender without regard to accomplishment, or position on issues.

72 years old is way too old to be running for president. Who knows if dementia has set in with Mccain and we just don't know it yet. Sorry, but we just don't need a geriatric president making important decisions. At least with obama, we have a pretty good idea they he won't fall over from a heart attack or stroke.

Buns of Steel OUT!

"Who knows if dementia has set in with Mccain and we just don't know it yet."

Just listen to him the past few months..

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11939.html

Skybill:

1. 95% of taxpayer will receive a TAX CUT under Obama's plan. Certainly you're not in the top 5% of wage earners. So, no need to "hide your wallet."

2. Obama said last night he supports the 2nd amendment, unless you're a criminal. So, no need to "hide your guns" unless you're not obeying the law.

3. Nobody is ever forced to have an abortion. So no need to "hide your babies".

"I think that pretty much sums up the Conservative attitude on this.
They believe women are stupid enough to choose gender without regard to accomplishment, or position on issues."

Bingo!

Totally delusional.

And she sounds like a turd. And no, I don't even know what she looks like. Or care.

Yikes! Mccain sure is a classy guy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwTKM_u-7j4&feature=related

Birds of a feather?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nTX-oJUCaU

2. Obama said last night he supports the 2nd amendment, unless you're a criminal. So, no need to "hide your guns" unless you're not obeying the law.

He may have said that he "supports" the 2nd amendment, but his past actions say he doesn't.

A quote from The Audacity of Hope; "I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturers' lobby"

Sounds good on the surface. But how can you support the 2nd amendment right for an individual to own guns and at the same time deny it to people living in urban areas?

From 1994 to 2000 Obama served on the board of directors of the Joyce Foundation which shelled out more than $30 million to gun control groups with his approval.

In 1996 Obama filled out a candidate questionnaire in which he indicated full support for a ban on the "manufacture, sale and possession" of handguns. When this questionnaire was finally made public, his staff said that an aide filled it out in error and that he didn't know about it. Politico.com made public a copy of the questionnaire that has hand written notes in Obama's writing on it. Hmmmmm.

More recently in 2003 Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois Senate to ban semi-automatic "assault" weapons. (A semi-auto shotgun that a duck hunter uses falls into this category according to them) Fortunately the full IL Senate killed the bill.

He also blamed Bush for not renewing the Clinton (another supposed 2nd amendment "supporter") gun ban.

He proposed a one-gun-a-month bill in Illinois.

There are tons more info on his (laughs out loud) "I support the 2nd amendment" agenda; it's just that the people that support him are the same ones that support gun control.

He talks a good game. He knows that publicly stating his anti-gun positions is political suicide.

The bottom line is that the criminals don't give a rat's ass about how many gun laws are passed. They don't buy/use/sell their guns legally.

Do you really think that the guy selling guns out of the trunk of his car cares either? Is he going to check your ID and fill out the paperwork then tell the gang member to come back in 3 days after he does a background check?

Not a chance in hell that Obama is gun "friendly"

What we need are Judges that will enforce the EXISTING gun laws. More gun laws only affect the law abiding gun owners.

All I know is that I'm going to stock up now while I still can.

1. 95% of taxpayer will receive a TAX CUT under Obama's plan. Certainly you're not in the top 5% of wage earners. So, no need to "hide your wallet."

Right. And Clinton balanced the budget too.

Nope. It's just creative accounting 101.

Where is all the money going to come from to pay for all the Democrats socialist programs that will skyrocket as soon as he takes office?

And don't say from the war. Our spending on that isn't going to just magically disappear.

She looks like a man!

They make high resolution monitors nowadays.

Maybe it's time to get rid of that old green screen monitor!

Either that or it's time to see the eye doctor!

I really don't get this VP pick. With McCain's age, she could very easily become President of the United States, based on the law of averages, nothing more.

OK, she is a governor (two years, small state), and she was a mayor (a city the size of Astoria).

They say a VP pick is unimportant, but this seems to reflect on McCains judgement more than anything else.

There must have been a lack of vetting on Palin.

She had stated that she was seven months pregnant in March of 2008.

Then she travels to Texas for a conference of oil states in April being 8 months pregnant, her water breaks (on her fourth child) so she finishes her speech and leaves for Anchorage on a scheduled flight.

Excuse me, but since 9/11/01 if your water has broken and your eight months along you are not allowed on any regular scheduled flight.

Also for women labor lasts a shorter period of time after you have your first child.

In a related story her oldest daughter was out of school for more than five months with a case of "mono".

Anybody ready for the math test?

Skybill, the money is going to come from the super wealthy. Would you rather have the tax break yourself or let a billionaire buy a new jet?

And you are just a typical paranoid right winger. The Supreme Court just had their ruling that cements the right to own guns. So, like I said, no need to "hide your weapons" if he gets elected. And the fact that the second amendment is the most important thing to you shows how shallow you are as a person.

I think were reaching a little bit here...just an observation....

Observations are made from a vantage point.

72.3 is the national average for the life of a man. So statistically Mccain should be croaking any day now.

And we want this guy for a president???
C'mon people!

And you are just a typical paranoid right winger. The Supreme Court just had their ruling that cements the right to own guns. So, like I said, no need to "hide your weapons" if he gets elected.

If that's what you want to believe, OK. Go ahead.

For those of us that know better, we'll vote for candidates that are truly pro 2nd amendment.

As for the last comment, you have your priorities, I have mine. It's not the only thing that's important to me, but of the BS that all the candidates are spewing, I choose to make it my decision point.

She is a perfect fit.

The runner-up Miss Alaska knows all about the pressure of "winning" second place. She also knows all about pageantry, shallow answers and pathetic antique views of the value of womanhood. So, in that way, Palin is a perfect fit.

The one time mayor of a dinky berg surrounded by pristine wilderness is jaded with all that landscape. She really loves drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and signed away the last great Sockeye run in the world for a mining operation. Oh, don't forget, she really hates polar bears. She would love to move to Washington D.C. and escape all that oppressive natural splendor. So, in that way, she is a perfect fit.

The mother who will be abandoning a handicapped infant to stump for an infantile handicapper can readily explain to all women that latchkey kids are part of our new economy. Especially the retarded ones, since her sensitive running mate will no doubt joke that they don't even know that mommy is gone. So, in that way, she is a perfect fit.

The governor that instructed state employees, administrators and law enforcement to take care of family drama that involved guns and DUI, will be a solid spokesperson for families with drama that involves guns, booze and cops. So, in that way, she is a perfect fit.

The woman who went on the record calling Hillary Clinton supporters "whiners" while affirming that she believes women cannot legally make health decisions will easily bring her sisters together. I bet she will galvanize the last remaining PUMAs into one IHOP. So, in that way, she is a perfect fit.

The Republicans still feel strongly that women do not deserve recognition or equality. Olympia Snowe is a widely respected veteran member of the GOP, but rewarding a woman for decades of public service to her country and party does not align with tradition. So, in that way, Palin is a perfect fit.

Well, he had to make some kind of move. Let's face it, the republicans are still considered the "backward old white man's" party. Look at what defends them on this website. Pretty crafty move on McCain's part.

>>Republicans still feel strongly that women do not deserve recognition or equality

yes...and thats why McCain pick a woman...right.

>>The mother who will be abandoning

have you heard of Mr. Mom? good grief...this is personal family issues here...who are we...?

>>Palin is a perfect fit

from a conservative...agreed!

I really don't get this VP pick.

Easy.

NO BUSH BAGGAGE! Condi a better pick, but a bushie. Same with Mr. C. Powell also a better pick but same issues

McCain is trying to cement his conservative base with a pro-lifer.

He won't get many Hillary women with this pick, and it totally contradicts his previous statement about the most important VP quality is experience.

McCain's gamble will more than likely be the reason cited when he loses the election. Not because the right wingers won't vote for him, but because the independents will not go for a highly inexperienced VP should McCain be unable to serve (assuming he won, which he isn't going to).

The math, people, the math. More registered Dems and they are all going to vote.

Oh, I forgot, the right wingers can't count past the number of rounds in a clip. Ha!

Oh, hell no! Another woman, like Cindy Mc Cain, that I would NEVER want to represent American women to the rest of the world.

I can't believe "Mr. Family Values" Broadway can give countenance to this pair of Wonderbitches.

One cheats with her husband while he's still married to his non-trophy wife, doctor-shops and steals drugs from her own "foundation", not to mention any of her other shenanigans.

The other abandons her Down Syndrome afflicted child, before he's even out of diapers, to further her political career. She even CHOSE to have him, knowing he had Down Syndrome. How many days will she be away while dealing with the myriad health problems associated with Down Syndrome? Or will she just leave that to others to deal with? Her priority? Flip a coin.

Life...what a beautiful choice...except when it interferes with politics.

Pathetic.

Well after seeing all the comments, maybe she IS the right pick.

The only thing anybody can say about her is she has abandoned her Down syndrome child.

That's good. Keep focusing on that.

Libs = whiners! (apparently)

>>this pair of Wonderbitches

with words like that who needs the ERA.

she has abandoned her Down syndrome child.

Talk about Political BUllshit! Politicians will say anything to make them look better. If thats the worst thing people are saying about her, than I think shes doing just fine.

That comment was a lot like a prostitute, It was "cheap, dirty, and easy". But thats how pathetic politicians are. They are just like car salesmen, Pure scumbags!

with words like that who needs the ERA.

Well, if you want to sell your home, they could do it for you!

http://www.era.com/

Let's review:

Vice-Presidential candidate Joe Biden has faithfully come home on the train to his family almost every night since 1972. After a tragic accident took their mother and sister, and left the boys injured, Joe had children with special needs. He offered to step aside as Senator rather than be a lousy father.

Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin will be leaving a baby that is a few months old and disappearing until after Halloween. After the primary left her party in shambles, she gave birth to a child with special needs. She has now offered to step into the ring for the GOP rather than be a good mother.

Family values?

Uh-huh.

Any of the whiners want to show where it says that she is going to leave the child.

What is to prevent her from taking the child with her?

Of course that wouldn't make a good bitching point for the libs.

Give me a FUCKING break Littlesongs. How many mothers have have kids with special needs and return to work because they have a CAREER. She also has a husband who can help with the child also. She also has a total of 5 kids, So I'm sure they can also help out with the special needs child. So just because she has a special needs child, Sarah Palin should be at the house 24/7 taking care of her child and doing NOTHING ELSE?? Bullshit!
What are we living in the 1950's????
Abandoning her child? HARDLY!

This thread is getting so Slimey, I feel dirty even participating in it. You people are so desperate to find dirt on Sarah Palin that it is beyond pathetic.

DIRTY, DIRTY POLITICS!!!!
Im going to go take a shower and wash off all "the slime" I have acumulated by participating in this thread!

Okay, let's set aside her responsibilities as a new parent to bond and wean her infant in a healthy way. Google her record in Alaska. Go ahead. Get back to me with all of the "wonderful" things that I am missing on her lengthy resume.

Hmm . . . didn't she stop the bridge to nowhere AFTER the ruckus began?

It's over.

McCain has blown it to the biggest degree possible.

I don't give a shit about anything regarding whats-her-name?

It's done.

Legendary.

Pretending that this is somehow good for anyone is a flat out lie and panders to the retarded. Great. Go for it. Absolutely idiotic on any level.

Done.

Republicans, your team has blown it. Prepare. Dig your holes, buy your ammo, freak out, whatever.

You're finished.

I only have so many diplomatic tendencies. It's absurd to treat this VP pick with any kind of legitimate credibility. One man has picked his running mate. Thank GOD we see it so far in advance and so full of what it is; A HUGE mistake. She adds NOTHING to the ticket. Nothing. And if this is what McCain sees as a possible future, I am grateful to have this simple and easy choice to make.

John McCain, you are flawed on every level I suspected. Thank you for finally just coming out and showing it. You're gone. See ya.

Now get the fuck out of the way, you oblivious, fear-mongering, senile, cancer riddled, power hungry, fraudulent, out of touch, falsely entitled shill.

I hate you and everything you lie about, you fucking worm that embodies everything bad about America.

I fucking BEGGED you for a reason to give you a shot; You have tried to smack your dick on my face.

FUCK.

YOU.

How do you really feel?

I can't quite get it from the above post!!!

I am pissed to have ever given McCain and his various choices ( depending on the day he cites them ) any kind of consideration. I feel like a fool to have shown him respect. I SWEAR I wanted to stand up for him. This choice for VP flaunts his arrogance in my face. At some point I have to say so - for me.

He doesn't care one bit about me. Not one bit.

The feeling is now mutual.

The only thing that would have pissed me off more would have been for Obama to make this kind of pick. He didn't. My standards are high enough for me to sleep at night. McCain has forced my hand in a game that I was willing to indulge. Honestly.

No longer.

IMHO, one of the more astute political analyts to come along in a while is Chuck Todd at NBC.

I could not find a link to this, but several weeks ago he made the observation that you'd be able to tell how desperate the McCain campaign was by their VP pick.

The short pass candidates (Pawlenty, Romney) would indicate he felt he was close enough to win.

The "Hail Mary" option would suggest that McCain is desperate and has to shake up the race with an entirely unexpected and unorthodox choice that would carry great reward and great risk.

I think your seeing a campaign that knows it's in trouble.

EDIT

This from Politico today;

"1. He’s desperate. Let’s stop pretending this race is as close as national polling suggests. The truth is McCain is essentially tied or trailing in every swing state that matters — and too close for comfort in several states like Indiana and Montana the GOP usually wins pretty easily in presidential races. On top of that, voters seem very inclined to elect Democrats in general this election — and very sick of the Bush years.

McCain could easily lose in an electoral landslide. That is the private view of Democrats and Republicans alike."

The reasons she is a good choice. She is an outsider to D.C. She is independant in here views, will take on the oil co. people are ready for a change. And her resume isn't that much shorter than obama's. And McCain is OLD. If the GOP wins, theres a good chance because of age that she will be the first women president. before the term is out. run sarah run.

How come when the libs get nervous the profanities go up? The issue with her new born is within their family...gosh...at least she had the child born even knowing it was special needs...a down child...which are very special God inspired loving kids!

I'm with CJ on this one.

The GOP is officially moving into the rebuilding phase. (good)

" How come when the libs get nervous the profanities go up? "

I said I was " pissed." Not " nervous." If I was " nervous," I would have said " nervous." Not " pissed."

See how that works?

Is "pissed" a profanity?

Buns of steel: Get a grip!

Nobody is saying she doesn't have a right to go back to work after having a baby. But running for VP is just a TAD MORE DEMANDING than your average 40 hour week. She chose to bring a permanently handicapped kid into the world. She doesn't have the time to run for VP and be a mom. She shouldn't even be governor of her state if you ask me.

Bottom line, this pick reeks of desperation. Those that are defending or supporting her are ill-informed idiots doing their duty by cheering for their pathetic sports team.

As a Democrat, I'm thrilled with this pick. I was much more worried it would be Romney or Ridge, both of whom are EXPONENTIALLY more qualified to be VP than this Palin bimbo.

If this is a taste of how John McCain will govern, NO THANKS!

If a woman chooses to have children, it affects the choices she must make regarding her career path. Duh. It may suck, but it's a reality.

She may choose to scale back, temporarily leave the workforce, or not. If not, then she, by default, abdicates some of the responsibility that comes with her choice to give birth.

We're not talking about an Executive Assistant, or the CEO of a major corporation: we're talking about the Vice President of the United States. It's not a job, it's a lifestyle.

So is raising a child with special needs. Ask anyone who has one.

It's all about timing and priorities. I want the Executive Branch fully on board running the country.

Now would be a good time for Palin to consider her child before her ambitions.

There are plus and minuses for every possible choice a candidate for Pres makes in selecting a VP.

Bottom line:

McCain is clearly taking a huge risk. He thinks this will get a lot of women to vote for him. It won't. Don't take my word for it, read Sue Nielsen's take:

As if any woman will do

By Susan Nielsen


How dumb does John McCain think women are?

The Arizona senator picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his GOP running mate on Friday. She is flatly unqualified to be vice president. Her beliefs on abortion would offend any woman to the left of Clarence Thomas.

Yet McCain seems to believe that millions of women voters will coo indiscriminately over any female candidate who comes along. He wants disappointed Hillary supporters to stampede to his side, followed by all other women who are enthralled by Palin's life story.

This miscalculation could -- and should -- cost McCain the election.

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2008/08/palin_for_vp_pandering_at_it s.html

The Mayor of Mayberry is suddenly one aged heartbeat away from being the leader if the Free World? I can't believe the GOP has so little respect for women that they think any female at all will automatically win the disaffected Hillary constituency. That would be a hell of a legacy for females of our generation to leave for the future. If McCain's elected, he'll have at least two Supreme Court vacancies (Stevens, Ginsburg) to fill, and Roe is toast, and who knows what else.

Whoever said McCain's jumped the shark on this one is right on.

"As a Democrat, I'm thrilled with this pick."

As a Republican, I'm also thrilled. But I am not at all enthusiastic about the repulsive commentary being exhibited here.

Examples: "...the VP of a sick, senile, cancer-ridden 72 year old fossil...She looks like a man!...I wonder if Cindy McCain is getting worn out, so ole Johnny Boy is going to throw her over the side for this gal after he loses...I think she may be the anti-christ...she sounds like a turd...Now get the fuck out of the way, you oblivious, fear-mongering, senile, cancer riddled, power hungry, fraudulent, out of touch, falsely entitled shill...I hate you and everything you lie about, you fucking worm that embodies everything bad about America...I fucking BEGGED you for a reason to give you a shot; You have tried to smack your dick on my face..."

Very adult and very reasoned. Just a sampling of that famous Progressive tolerance.

I hope many of the commenters here are/were not associated with radio. I would hate to think that
colleagues were as repulsive as Magic_eye points out.

Very adult and very reasoned. Just a sampling of that famous Progressive tolerance.

And if Obama would have picked a certain someone your side wouldn't have dog piled on? Come on Magic you know you would have that what your side does. Well, that's all your side does. But because it's your pick she is the best thing to come along since sliced bread. I can see Sean Hannity now talking about how she is the most popular Governor on planet earth or some garbage like that.
Thursday nobody knew who she was! For crying out loud McCain had only met her once or twice before Friday.

"Very adult and very reasoned.

As Vice President Dick Cheney said from the Senate floor: Fuck you!

Very adult and very reasoned, eh?

Yeah. It was harsh and possibly even wrong to say it like that.

I was really mad.

I don't take it back.

Who cares what Dick Cheney said? That doesn't mean we have to be vulgar when we disagree. Grow up!

Possibly for the first time, I agree with Magic_eye.

>>Very adult and very reasoned. Just a sampling of that famous Progressive tolerance

>>doesn't mean we have to be vulgar

Amen M_e...I've said it before here...civility please!

I imagine we'd have more participation by a greater number of contributors if civil discourse was the rule rather than the exception, IMHO.

I'm quite surprised that there's not much from the right here...just don't want to be involved or not reading this side of pdxradio or just too scared to speak up?

Somewhere at the beginning of this thread (notice the forthcoming vagueness of whats about to come as commentary and just that alone!) someone made a comment that was one sentence but very simple. Being that I realize that it was tongue and cheek commentary I still have thought alot about what was said.

Palin IS something COMING outta NOWHERE! I don't believe and the above unnamed poster was just I assume making a joke. BUT... it did get me thinking WHAT IF....

what he said were in fact truth!

Above poster knows who "he" is.

broadway sez: "I'm quite surprised that there's not much from the right here...just don't want to be involved or not reading this side of pdxradio or just too scared to speak up?"

Well, duh! Its George W. Bush, man. He throughly trashed the Republican party. And his vice president is saying "fuck you"!

Most people in their right mind wouldn't try to defend these two and clearly they're not.

Wait till Obama gets elected and you find Republicans on this board out in force again.

We can thank God that the Bush adminstration is in its last throes and that's no lie.

Trooper-gate is now the latest member of the great American lexicon.

Apparently, drawing public servants into Palin family drama has been going on for years. Colonel Julia Grimes of the Alaska State Police was made personally aware of the Mike Wooten situation by Mayor Sarah Palin in an email on August 10, 2005.

On February 29, 2008, Governor Sarah Palin had the Director of Boards and Commissions, Frank Bailey, call the State Police and ask for a few favors. In the 25 minute conversation, he pressured them hard for inside information on Union negotiations. Once the discussion turned to employees that made state law enforcement look bad, Frank Bailey worked virtually every angle to get Palin's former brother-in-law fired. He described in lurid detail all of the family drama and raised the potential of the Governor to be drawn into a bitter custody battle. Fortunately for the voters of Alaska -- and now the people of the lower 49 -- the entire conversation was recorded by the troopers office.

Over the next few months, even more pressure was applied by Palin and her staff, but Mike Wooten was still not discharged from the force. On July 11, 2008, Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan was fired without cause. This move raised a whole lot of eyebrows including the editorial staff of the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner. A week later, Walt Monegan told the Anchorage Daily News he was repeatedly contacted about Wooten and was pressured personally by the Governor to fire him back in February.

On July 29, 2008, the Alaska State Legislature earmarked $100,000 in taxpayer dollars to investigate the firing of former state Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. The report is expected this fall.

Here she is, reporting the sports for an Anchorage news station in the late 80's.

Hope she brushes up on her teleprompter reading skills before the convention.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Republican-VP-candidate-Sara h-Palin-s-sportscast?urn=nba,104578&cp=2#comments

Palin's responses on radio talk show very unbecoming

The governor's appearance on KWHL's "The Bob and Mark Show" last week is plain and simple one of the most unprofessional, childish and inexcusable performances I've ever seen from a politician.

Anchorage DJ Bob Lester unleashed a vicious, mean-spirited, poisonous attack on Senate President Lyda Green (a cancer survivor) last week while our governor was live on the air with him.

When we played the tape on my show the day after it happened, we received 130 calls. Even some Palinbots were disgusted.

The Daily News posted the recording on its Web site and it fired up bloggers.

The Fairbanks Daily News-Miner editorial writers demanded the governor apologize.
The Juneau and Ketchikan papers also ran the editorial.
The Daily News opinion page addressed the governor's gaffe.
They wrote "She came off looking immature herself, almost high-schoolish. It was conduct unbecoming a governor."
It was conduct unbecoming a human being, never mind a governor.

Early on in the conversation before Palin started to crack up, Lester referred to Sen. Green as a jealous woman and a cancer.

But as the conversation moved on, Lester intensified his attack on Green.

Lester questioned Green's motherhood, asking Palin if the senator cares about her own kids. Palin laughs.

Then Lester clearly sets the stage for what he is about to say by warning his large audience and Palin. He says, "Governor you can't say this but I will, Lyda Green is a cancer and a b----." Palin laughs for the second time.

http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/295464.html

Makes me wonder how well, or if this woman was vetted.

Typical two-faced corrupt conservative.

" Very adult and very reasoned, eh?"

Well, it's not like there hasn't been legitimate attempts at talking about things with reason. We do it ALL the time - but when it gets TOO reasoned for some, they regress back to " It's above my pay grade." Which is just as insulting as saying a bad word, I guess.

Let's call it a draw.

Oh my goodness!
This is the gift that keeps giving!

Honestly, this says more about McCain's judgement, and the dsperation in which she was chosen (vetted) than it does about Governor Palin.

Here is Palin's response to a candidate questionnaire for the Alaska 2006 gubernatorial race:

11. Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance

LINK

I don't even need to see the link, that's funny! Problem is, Palin is reflecting the (mis)information most people have about the Pledge. I therefore wouldn't call her an idiot on this one, but someone of average (mis)understanding of our history. Which is yet another reason to say she is not a VP-caliber leader.

Just an observation but I have to think that all these topics about Palin lately(especially by Vitalogy) shows how scared the liberals are and how fast they are to get on the smear wagon.

My take is quite different.

Call it morbid excitement and interest, as in "you really can't make this stuff up!". Better than ordinary TV most days.

The only bloc of people in this, scared shitless, are the 23 percenters currently forming the base of the Reformed Republican Party.

RRP, from now on guys!

The RRP, or Reformed Republicans, essentially are all about giving the MAX lip service to anybody willing to vote, and who has a "nothing else matters" axe to grind.

The rest of us are only wondering how morbid it's gonna get before it starts getting better. When that starts, their day in the sun is over big time. They can all go back to their closets and bitch and plan for another 30 years.

If they don't give it up then, it will go down the same way too.

Nobody really wants to have to deal with the 23 percenters because it costs too much otherwise. All the remaining Republicans are just pissed as hell too, because it's rapidly sucking to have to admit being a Republican, or even having been one, given the mess they've made of it.

You will see that play out here in this cycle, right now too.

Ed Schultz had an Alaska air news / talk talent, named CC on air today. Man, she has a mouthful to say about Palin, and none of it is all that good.

After hearing that interview, her big experience bullet points are:

-sucking up huge to big companies

-and pissing in her own damn pool.

It's not gonna go well for McCain with this pick. Give it a coupla weeks, and if she's not out, all he will have is the 23 percenters! Slam dunk for Obama at that point.

mc74 sez: Just an observation . . ."

Just on observation, we're not going to see mc74 again for 2 weeks, and most likely this thread will drop out of heavy rotation before he comes back, so why bother replying?

Mc74 is a drive by poster -- sort of like a person that calls radio stations and requests a song, but never stays around to listen to it.

>>how scared the liberals are and how fast they are to get on the smear wagon.

amen and amen...scraping the bottom here with nothing...sad diatribe...

>>Mc74 is a drive by poster

why not stay around Mc...?

Really? I seem scared? There is nothing logical or calm or accurate about what I have said? It's all based on fear?

How would it all need to be noted and phrased in order for it to seem not scared?

You guys call anything that smacks of dissent " scared." This, coming from the party of folks who know nothing BUT how to scare people. So I can see why your vocabulary is so limited, MC.

Sweetie, I'm not scared. I'm pissed and I'm saying why. Figure out the difference. Set yourself free, man. It's killing you.

"all these topics about Palin lately...shows how scared the liberals are."

Scared? See above.

How about "bemused" or "befuddled"?

I am just shaking my head at how utterly unbelievable this whole:

A. Fantastically Super Great (your view)
B. Unbelievably stupid comedy-of-errors fiasco (my view)

VP choice actually is. Do you honestly think this goofy twat twit could run the country? Gimme a break. I could do a better job. So could my vagina, actually.

The only thing I'm scared about is that the GOP might find their ball sack hidden in between their legs and a-hole and remove her from the ticket and pick a real VP candidate to run.

Worst pick ever for a VP candidate, and this telegraphs the horrible decisions ahead for our country should McCain be elected.

You really think its the worst pick ever? Anyone remember AL Gore and the guy he picked??

Ya, that same guy all you liberals were praising back then is now speaking at the Republican convention.

You are scared, its why you come here and waste your time talking about it. If you really believe the Republicans dont have a chance you wouldnt be talking about them so much.

Lieberman was a much safer, much better pick for VP than Palin is.

-He was more well known, being in the Senate.
-In a lot of ways, he balanced that ticket. Much more moderate than Gore.

Gore "lost" because he ran a boorish, horrible campaign and did everything in his power to separate himself from the accomplishments of the Clinton administration. And if you ask most, he didn't lose anyway!

>>So could my vagina//their ball sack hidden in between their legs and a-hole

you have no legitimacy in your argument when you go there...none.
You really discredit yourself with these vulgarities/human debasing...

"Vagina" is vulgar and debasing? It's a body part, you ignorant swollen throbbing uvula...

Oh, shit. I just broke my promise to ignore you. Oh well. I guess I'll have to start over.
The rest of today is day one.

Maybe I should start a list of "vulgar" slang words for body parts. I'll start with "Ass" and "Butt". Wait. Isn't "Ass" in the Bible? Scratch that.

Mc74 is all proud that Joe Lieberman spoke at the convention but he and other card carrying members would be having a hissy fit right now if McCain had picked him.

/the clock is ticking for Palin till POOF she's gone.

>>the clock is ticking for Palin

Don't believe the power of the female gender? She's a very strong person and can even weather the extremely nasty mean horrible bloggers out there...but wait...we still love em.

Gender has nothing to do with her breathtaking lack of qualifications to be VP.

As time goes by, we learn more and more about her and her family. She is not the kind of person I want in charge of anything. She's just another ignorant redneck that dresses nice.

And the fact that she was a last minute fill-in for the VP slot proves that John McCain's so-called experience means nothing. They barely vetted her, so is this the kind of homework we can expect from a McCain Adminstration when discussing foreign policy? No thanks.

at least after she is elected, i would not be worried that she would sport a turbon. being one of those "guns and faith" people. I'll take my chances with the GOP thank you.

Well, religious nutballs tend to support other religious nutballs. It's what you're told to do, and of course, you comply.

Go ahead and take your chances if you will, the rest of America has had enough of the nutball religious right and will send Palin back to Alaska to deal with her family drama, since it seems that's a full time job in and of itself.

You must have missed the press conf. that "rev." wright had. this is the man that obamha and his wife were married by and sat under his "ministry" for over 20 years. and your not scared of him??? by the way i do my own thinking and havent been to church in years.

I'm scared of people who want to lead the US that has the following positions:

-Creationism
-Outlawing abortion with no exceptions
-Does not believe in gloabal warming
-That our troops on on a "mission from god".
-Has ZERO foreign policy experience
-Abuse of power is okay to help settle a family dispute and then lies about it
-Believes in abstinence only education
-Does not believe in use of contracteption

" at least after she is elected, i would not be worried that she would sport a turbon."

Because if she did, what would that mean to you, Steve? Go ahead. Say it. I bet you won't.

" You must have missed the press conf. that "rev." wright had. this is the man that obamha and his wife were married by and sat under his "ministry" for over 20 years. and your not scared of him???"

Scared of who? Wright? Why should I be? What could Wright possibly do to me?

If mr. obamha believes just part of what "rev. wright was "preaching" that is real scarry to me. ste

OK. So why would you say this in another thread about Palin's preacher?

" Liberals desperatly throwing more mud. Can we please get back to issues in the election campaign."

And Steve, please explain why having Palin sporting a " turbon " is a threat to anyone. And who is it that is likely to sport a " turbon?"

I fucking DARE you to say it out loud.

dear cj--since palin has been chosen to be the VP. we have had a diet of who is the mother of baby palin. then here daughter is pregnet. she has been trashed for here pareting and what kind of mother she is. and this being done by liberals???I didnt know liberals cared so much about these issues. I just thought it was the subject of little old ladys who have too much time on there hands. that was why i made the comment on the other thread. about throwing mud.it's like the liberals are playing a game of hide the ball. not talking issues. get it.

Actually Steve for me it's more like the Great Wizard Oz proclaiming "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" when it comes to Palin.

Take out all the family issues with Palin and she's an environmental nightmare in the making. Alaskan's love her because she could get each family nearly $3000 in kickbacks from big oil if they are allowed to drill.

You start drilling and the polar bear and other endangered wildlife is gone. How is that being responsible???

No.

But I do get that you will not answer my questions.

" And Steve, please explain why having Palin sporting a " turbon " is a threat to anyone. And who is it that is likely to sport a " turbon?" "

Ill answer that.

Its the radical closet muslim Obama

Elect him and get ready to start beating your women and praying 20 times a day.

Actually, I think Palin supports the beating of women herself.

Most pathetic speech I've ever seen. Never before have I seen someone SO in over their head. Talk about an empty suit!

She's a prop, and as an Obama supporter, I hope she sticks around. I still give her 50/50.

I watched the rep convention. best speach in years. after 16 years of eleatist presidents. we need a change. and its not ohbama.as someone who clings to my gun and bible. which ohbama despises. i question his loyalty to america. you dont like. too bad.and chris. if we loose some wildlife to get the energy we need to run this country. too bad also. and lets start drilling. now.

Palin reminded me of a conservative high school student who won an essay contest and had the honor speaking to a VFW hall. The speech was a collection of clumsy nonsequiturs, bitchy insults and unsupported facts.

She has yet to show me anything that would qualify her for the position she held as governor, let alone being one feeble geriatric heartbeat away from the Presidency for four long years.

The best moment was at the end of the speech. John McCain turned completely around in a circle because he could not remember where she was standing. Wow. They are tweedle-dee and tweedle-duffer.

Elect him and get ready to start beating your women and praying 20 times a day.

Um, it is rather old news, but Huckabee already dropped out.

Do any of you "let's drill now" folks realize we drill that oil, then SELL it OUTSIDE the nation?

That's right. Americans don't get American oil for an American Price. Other nations do.

That $3K kickback is chump change compared to the overall cost that will have on the state.

If we drill now, we don't see the impact on the market for 10 years. Why? Because it takes time to setup, and the OIL IS NOT SOLD OR USED HERE.

We let oil companies drill our natural resource, then we let them sell it for as much as they can get to other nations, not us!

McCain looked every bit of his 72 years, and then some.

I did notice the black guy and the Hispanic guy seemed to enjoy her speech.

LOL. I saw that too.

Did you ever see footage of one of the games in the World Series a few years ago when Howard Stern sent his motley looking crew to watch the game from RIGHT behind home plate? In EVERY shot, they they were. Every swing, there they were.

I think I saw a Saddam Hussein look-a-like at the Democratic convention. It was pretty funny. All bearded out and shit. I had forgotten about that until I saw the black guy in St. Paul.

Didn't see Palin's speech. Read some of it on line. Thank goodness I had better things to do with my time.

Steve if you're secure with your gun and bible under your pillow I've got no problems with that. I don't think Obama has a big problem with that either.

It's when you choose to quote scripture from your bible to justify using your gun is where I have my issues. Jesus is known as the Prince of Peace, at least in the circles I run.

chris--when have i used a gun? to me thats a pretty big leap, from not agreeing with you. to claiming i condon violence, in the name of GOD.or do you feel we should not have a standing army to defend our country.

"claiming i condon (condom? condone?) violence"

He did no such thing, you boob. Jeez. A little over-sensitive are we?

By your own admission, it sounds like you DO have a gun handy!

i havent owned a gun in years.

..."Do any of you "let's drill now" folks realize we drill that oil, then SELL it OUTSIDE the nation?".

Yes. and THAT is the issue that needs to be addressed!

Here is the deal. Run it similar to local utilities. You may have the drilling lease, but you must sell the product for American use only, at cost plus a certain profit margin. Either that, or the Government gets into the oil business and cuts out the big boys all together. That seems as accecptable to me as Government run health care. The increased drilling HAS to be accompanied by increased use of other sources.

Time after time private companies have shown that they are unable to police themselves. The greed factor always overrides public responsibility.

Since fuel, heating, lighting is a NECESSITY, the answer has to be, some sort of control over production, distribution, pricing.

Now if the goal is to wreck the economy and return people to a marginal survival, no growth lifestyle, then we are well on the way. It's not a DEM vs REP issue, it's an AMERICAN PEOPLE ISSUE.

(Note on media bias):
In watching the news the past day or two, tying into the convention, I noticed that reporters spent time bringing interviews and stories that were critical of Palin and Big Mac. Sure there were also some Cheerleader bites, but in watching the news during the Dem convention, I don't remember any stories or interviews in Delaware with people critical of Biden.

Here is an idea that might take some of the dirt out of the political commercials. How about if each candidate had to approve the others commercials? Imagine an Obama commercial that starts "I'm John McCain and I approved this message", and vice versa. Might force candidates to concentrate on truths and issues.

Sad that no one can say anything good about the other. No matter which side you support, all I'm hearing and reading is how god awful the other side is.

If I read a post from Vitalogy and CJ, I swear Obama/Biden are the saviors and we all should be living happily ever after by February, while Mac and Sarah Smile plan to ship every job overseas, then send the entire population to Iran to fight the next 100 years war while they buy a few more houses and split oil profits with the big companies.

If I read a post from Mc74 or the departed Herb, an Obamalama/Trader Joe Biden win will have us all employed, allbeit in Mao jackets toiling in the fields for pennies a day, living in government provided housing, having our boo boos bandaged at govenment expense after a five year wait, and sharing our food production and resources with the underprivileged of the world.

Hard to buy into either plan as presented......

You won't change your minds, but take the time to look at your chosen cadidate a little more critically. Realize that neither can possibly deliver all they are promising, and think on what they can realistically deliver... also realize that the other side can't possibly be as bad as you portray it...... Damn, 8 years of Booosh and you're still alive, with enough income to keep your internet connection. Your bank is still open and you still have a roof over your head (even if you are living in your car in the Starbucks parking lot where you are getting free WiFi)

Yeah, to me he sucked, Iraq was Texas pride to avenge the wrong doings of Say-Dam trying to put the hit on daddy B. Afganapoppystan has been a fiasco for every country who every went in there.
Sammie B. and Al Kyda could have been removed with better focus and for less cost but you would have had to step on a few Pakistani toes. (easy to do they are mostly barefooted)

Clinton wasn't so hot either, and I don't think 8 years of Gore would have been all bubbles and balloons either.......

Just curious.......(yellow?)

If you support Mac and friends, what would disappoint you if it failed? When Bam and Joe take over, is there a point you would say "wow, not the choice I had hoped for"..........
AM future gazing here....

for some, Ray-gun did no wrong and Iran/contra was no big thing......

For others Hill and Billy were eight years of happy, happy, joy, joy, that cigar thing, the embassy bombing thing, the little mess in Serbia,
what the hell, no biggie.......

I think we have to blur the lines a bit.....

The extreme polarization is killing us.

I like some of what Obama has to say. Same with McCain. I also think they both are blowing a lot of smoke.

Now, Nanny Pee.... SHE scares me. As Dominatrix of the House, she comes across as Mommie Dearest. No warmth in that ice cube! Happy to treat the American people as 6 year olds and tell us what is good for us. I can't vote her in or out, but she can rule the roost as long as her party is in charge.....

Ok peeps ease up a bit.....

The bile that is splashing around won't wash out.

Try the following in response

Deep breath......

(insert candidates name)....

"is not my cup of tea."
"really offers nothing that I agree with."
"offers a point of view that doesn't appeal to me."
"just doesn't convince me to follow their lead."
"has failed to sway me."

Feel free to use quotes to strengthen your argument.




The following is not acceptable

"SUCKS AND I WISH THEY WOULD DIE, DIE, DIE!!!"

Just trying to be reasonable.......

>>Just trying to be reasonable.......

Roger...you leave us all...well...speachless!

God bless you with a good dose of wisdom! Wait...I need some to!

If that's the case, here's some spur of the moment wisdom

Andy,

God Bless You for spreading the GOOD NEWS.

Last night after Palin's speech we were entertained by "Cowboy" Troy, John Rich, and Gretchen Wilson. While it was a great and creative performance, I got to thinking about how is that the best the McCain campaign could come up with when trying to get performers to sing? Did every musician they approached about using there music turn them down?

Last night after Palin's speech we were entertained by "Cowboy" Troy, John Rich, and Gretchen Wilson. While it was a great and creative performance, I got to thinking about how is that the best the McCain campaign could come up with when trying to get performers to sing? Did every musician they approached about using there music turn them down?