induction committee is meeting this week ,for next years inductees .....the question who should be there ,and why are such bands as Rush, Moody Blues and Chicago not in ????? please chime in with your thoughts>>>>>>>

Well, for one thing, Rush is simply just not that good!




I'm kidding, I'm kidding! Rush SHOULD be in the HOF!

M.B. Yes
CHICAGO YES
RUSH Borderline

Because it's all political and nothing more.
It's almost as bad as the Grammy's.


Hall of Fame & Shame

Swindle

C'mon, Rush is one of the best bands ever, and probably the best band from Canada ever (unless I'm forgetting someone).
However, it seems most people either love them or hate them, there's either no or very little middle ground.

Yep.

That's been my experience too. It does help with RUSH to be introduced by somebody who is a fan. Helps with context. Their stuff is often complex and that's both the magic and the reason why people are polarized about them.

People that think Rush sucks are ignorant to music. You may not like their brand of music, but you should at least be able to admit that they are one of the best bands ever.

"RUSH Borderline"

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!?!?

*fumes*

Yes, Rush is a band that people either love or hate. Yes, their lyrics are above a lot of people, their lead singer sounds like a prepubescent hyena (in his younger days), and the prog-rock of their youth was not radio friendly ... but they ARE a transcendent band, a group that has had the same lineup for going on 35 years, a group that has evolved with the times, and are now somewhat getting back to their roots.

The fact of the matter is this: Neil is the best drummer who has ever walked the face of the Earth (IMHO), and has spawned an entire generation of stickmen who emulate him. Alex, well I honestly did not know how damn good he was until I saw them live, absolutely phenomonal. Geddy, great on the bass, a great showman.

A transcendent group, that opened the border for other Canadian acts, that has stood the test of time and evolved and IMPROVED, putting so many groups to shame. Not only with their music and talent, but how they carry themselves, you don't hear of one of the band members on a drug-induced shooting spree, or hitting their wives, or even the groupie partying and that. They have stayed true to who they are, the depth of them as human beings makes their music MORE appealing to me.

I have said it before and I will say it again: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will not be legitimate, in my eyes, until Rush is inducted.

"and the prog-rock of their youth was not radio friendly"

Au contraire. The prog-rock, blues and jazz of their youth was very friendly to progressive radio, IMHO that was the only kind of radio that was ever fresh, innovative, and worth working in for peanuts. But radio died, decimated and crushed by The Big Money. The 3 token cuts from Rush you might hear on classic schlock radio don't do the band justice, don't do music justice, don't do listeners justice.

Rush didn't leave radio, radio left Rush.

"probably the best band from Canada ever (unless I'm forgetting someone)"

They are among some very good company including but not limited to:

The Band
The Guess Who
Bachman-Turner-Overdrive
Cowboy Junkies
April Wine
Crash Test Dummies
Chilliwack
Loverboy
Mahogany Rush
Steppenwolf
Neil Young
Jesse Winchester
Rufus Wainwright
Gino Vanelli
Graham Lear
Pat Travers
Dominick Trojiano
Buffy St. Marie
Sam Roberts
Robbie Robertson
Neil Peart
Kim Mitchell
Joni Mitchell
Sarah McLaughlin
Richard Manuel
Guy Lombardo
Gordon Lightfoot
Alex Lifeson
Geddy Lee
Avril Lavigne
K.D. Lang
Corky Laing
Daniel Lanois
Diana Krall
John Kay
Garth Hudson
Ronnie Hawkins
Maynard Ferguson
Jay Ferguson
Percy Faith
Bob Ezrin
Gil Evans
Jerry Doucette
Denny Doherty
Rick Danko
Leonard Cohen
Bruce Cockburn
David Clayton Thomas
Long John Baldry
Randy Bachman
Tal Bachman
Paul Anka

and some guys trying to make themselves known in the U.S. named Sloan, coming to Dante's on Sept. 27th.

Rush didn't leave radio, radio left Rush.

"probably the best band from Canada ever (unless I'm forgetting someone)"


How dare you ANDY!! You Know Celine Dion is just as good, if not beter than Rush.

I'm not a big Rush fan, but I do get thier great musicianship. Sure, I would put them in the Hall.

I will say this, they are waaaay better then Crash Test Dummies.

Crash Test Dummies?? Let me think about that one for a second.


"Mmm MMM MMMM mmm MmmM"

Yeah I think you're right. HA!

"Rush didn't leave radio, radio left Rush."

The first song to get heavy airplay from Rush was, ironically, The Spirit Of Radio ... which was on their Permanent Waves album. Permanent Waves was their seventh studio album, released in 1980 ... six years and six albums after their first release. If you look at their work between albums 2 and 6 (Fly By Night and Hemispheres), most of their work is theme-based, progressive, and either too technical or too long (or both) for radio play.

It took Rush and the radio quite a while to join forces. Once they did, the rest, as they say, is history.

And not only did the majority of the artists you listed come after Rush hit the stage, Andy, you list the three members of Rush in your list individually. Surely you don't think that they would have made that All-Star list if it wasn't for Rush.

BASEBALL ANALOGY TIME: Rush, The Tommy John of Rock

Why I said marginal. Good enough as a group with longevity, but not HOF numbers. Probably eventually will get in.

"the majority of the artists you listed come after Rush hit the stage"

Uh uh. The more than half were around before Rush.

"The first song to get heavy airplay from Rush was, ironically, The Spirit Of Radio"

Not in the 70's. Working Man and Fly By Night got plenty of airplay. Back then the radio landscape was significantly different.

"you list the three members of Rush in your list "

Picky picky picky. I culled through bands lists and musicians lists. I also listed many other musicians in groups also listed.
The whole point of the list was just known bands of at least reasonable name recognition who hail from Canada. Cut me a frikkin break.

Rush is the only band that should make Canada proud.

Unless you count Nickelback or Bryan Adams- ICK!

TIMBERFAKE...........NEIL YOUNG

Joni Mitchell
Diana Krall
Burton Cummings/Guess Who
Robbie Rober

Oh wait, never mind, re-read list above...

Vitalogy, that's it exactly!

When I've turned somebody onto RUSH, it's always been in a listening time, car, party, something. I play a tune or two, then annotate it. Literally, point out the good parts, give them some background and points of comparison.

Most of them grok it at that point.

They leave a bit less ignorant, and that's a good thing. Long ago, a similar thing happened with me when I was a kid. We were having the listening party. Pile of tapes from the 70's and a player.

We took turns popping good tunes in and talking about them.

Simple things like that really open up listening doors for a lot of people.

And that's why I keep saying on the radio side that context matters. Good music is good music, but it's often difficult to appreciate without knowing the story behind it. That's often best done by a person telling it, in the context of the tune!

Some of us will go digging for that stuff because we like it. Others won't start, until they have been introduced to the idea.

I didn't find Rush until the summer between 8th and 9th Grade (1978). A friend was in the process of replacing his old records with new copies, and he gave me his old 2112. He said there were two songs on it I would know, but that I was to listen to it and read along with the lyrics and liner notes.

I did, and was captured...enthralled...completely transported.

Still am, to this very day, and still have that old copy of 2112. I've worn the groove right off the thing, but seeing it makes me smile. I think of my old friend, and the zillion hours I spent listening and learning every word.

Enough of Rush ,thoughts on Chicago and The Moody Blues ????

Both should be in. Especially The Moody Blues.

It's all politics, not quality nor popularity with the masses.

"No matter where you’re sitting though, there’s something seriously wrong with the whole induction process. I don’t want to diss Van Halen, Patti Smith, or R.E.M., but clearly there are other artists more deserving of the rock hall honor at this point in history. For whatever reason, Wenner and his pals disdain a whole faction of British bands — the Moody Blues, Deep Purple, Humble Pie, Jethro Tull, Yes, Genesis, and, apparently, the Dave Clark 5, who would have been 'glad all over' to receive the recognition. The selection board also can’t handle certain American bands that rivaled many of the aforementioned British bands. What’s it gonna take to get Grand Funk Railroad, Three Dog Night, Kansas, Boston, Heart, Kiss, and dozens of other hitmakers in the clubhouse? If Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin hadn’t sold a gazillion records, they most certainly would have been left out in the cold too."

http://www.vintagerock.com/rrhof_2007.aspx

Hi, I'm new to the forums but I thought I'd chime in. Yes it is political. Those who dissed R.E.M. for getting in clearly don't realize the vast body of groundbreaking work R.E.M. did prior to 1991. But that's a side note.

I love Rush. Have since I was a kid. They are deserving. The body of work, the evolution of their craftmanship, and the mythic themes/images in their live performances have brought to the industry are all top notch.

Andy_brown bravo for mentioning Heart. Ann Wilson, IMO, has the best female voice rock and roll has ever heard. Not dissin Aretha but she's a soul/R&B singer not pure rock. Heart deserves to be in. Especially for their work through most of the 70's... not so much for "corporate" Heart of the late 80's.

Chicago?!?!? Are you serious?... I always get back to the scene in 'Little Nicky' starring Adam Sandler (yeah I went there). Chicago is the devil's music. I've heard local garage bands that are more innovative and influential than those ya-hoos but again... my opinion.

Welcome aboard, Moman74! I'm glad you found us!

Stick around.

Chicago,yes!!!! the Chicago of the 1970s with the their rock/jazz hybrid are a band very deserving of the Rock N roll Hall Of Fame just because they turned to shit in the 80s does not make them less deserving .any one younger than 35 probably only knows this version of the Band .Chicagos first 10 Albums were all great

Its BECAUSE of the jazz/hybrid part Chicago gets demerit points (as does Blood Sweat and Tears).

I can respect infusing jazz into rock and roll. I like a lot of Van Morrison's work in that area. I don't know though. Doesn't Peter Cetera get the same kind of mockery that Steve Perry does? or Rick Astley? I guess I just think of Chicago as light rock a la Barry Mannilow/John Tesh (barf).

ROBIN TROWER -

- ddddefinately!

blood sweat and tears pale in comparison to chicago ."Doesn't Peter Cetera get the same kind of mockery that Steve Perry does"listen to Chicago Transit Authority ,nobody is mocking Cetera ,lamm or kath

The first Blood Sweat and Tears LP and the first two Chicago LP's were groundbreaking and unto themselves would justify putting the bands into the RRHOF.

But Columbia dumped Al Kooper, the creative genius behind the first BS&T concept in favor of a more melodious voice, David Clayton Thomas. The first album with DCT did very well but without Al the music arrangements suffered and they never had much success after the second album.

Terry Kath accidentally shot himself and IMO Chicago lost one the key ingredients that made those early Chicago albums so successful. Like Al Kooper, Terry understood the power of mixed genres within a song. Go back and listen to "Beginnings" and tell me Terry's loss wasn't a major blow to the quality of their songwriting and performing. Even today, Chicago does that song, penned by Terry, the first one on the first album.

Still, the absence of so many great bands in the RRHOF underscores its non validity.

I'll totally second Heart and The Moody Blues.

Deserving as anybody.

If this goes on enough, perhaps there will be another "not hall of fame" list where all those that should be in the HOF, but are not, yet kick a lot of ass can be listed and appreciated.

Turn the whole thing upside down! It would then be old hat to be on the tired, not wired HOF!

Maybe we need a "Slamhall of Fame", eh?