Palin's Executive Decision Making

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Author: Moman74
Friday, September 26, 2008 - 10:28 am
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Well I was browsing around and found this little gem.

I wouldn't read this book because it's a who cares type of topic. But it shouldn't be taken off the shelves like these. To quote that page, "Books deemed critical of the state or its interests are another common target for banning."

Author: Missing_kskd
Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 10:17 am
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She's a piece of work isn't she?

A far better looking Cheney, IMHO. That's a bad combination to let climb too far!

With Darth Cheney, you can just tell he's gonna hose all of us. No question about it. Look at his face, hear his voice and that's it. You know you are looking at somebody who could give two shits about anybody but those who actually threaten him, or could benefit him.

Palin is just NICE! She really is. Makes the bad elements harder to see and that's exactly why she's not on camera much where the nice element won't play well.

Lots of people are not gonna know she is that type, unless she answers a few tough questions.

Author: Missing_kskd
Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 10:20 am
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And I absolutely cannot harbor or even muster any measure of tolerance for people willing to ban books.

It's Anti American to the core. None of us should support it, ever, for any reason.

If any one of us holds a position, we believe to be just and true, the test of that lies in the public discourse. If said position is, in fact, just and true, no words can change that in a material way.

The keeper is this:

The only reason to ban books is because they threaten a position that is established, but not actually just and true.

Author: Skeptical
Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 1:35 pm
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kskd sez: And I absolutely cannot harbor or even muster any measure of tolerance for people willing to ban books.

Amen. That is a position I almost religiously support. :-)

Author: Broadway
Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 3:21 pm
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religiously Skeptical...now there is a God!

Author: Skeptical
Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 5:52 pm
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If there was a God, or if She actually wanted to be worshipped, I wouldn't need to so skeptical.

Author: Talpdx
Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 5:23 pm
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1131ap_palin_ethics.html

Imagine if she and McCain were elected in November. Her supporters would have to start a legal defense fund before she was inaugurated to represent her and the "Second Dude" for all the investigations you know would happen as a result of her mishandling of ethics issues.

Author: Chris_taylor
Monday, September 29, 2008 - 9:57 am
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http://whitehousecornmaze.com/

She makes one nice looking corn maze.

Author: Chickenjuggler
Monday, September 29, 2008 - 10:03 am
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Yes. She sure does. I don't know how an alien craft was built so fast as to leave that imprint as it landed, but I gotta admire the Republicans for going after their vote. Geeze, how can Democrats compete with MILF circles?

Well done.

Author: Andy_brown
Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 12:54 pm
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Palin makes Dan Quayle look good. Clearly she appeals to the segment of America that has been the most effected by the lack of funding for higher education under the Republican Congress '94 - '06 and the shrub administration the last 8 years.

Author: Bookemdono
Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 2:22 pm
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Yes, it's a pretty telling indicator to see that the group extending the highest percentage of support for the McCain/Palin ticket are non-college educated white guys.

Author: Mrs_merkin
Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 3:51 pm
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The Worst Book Sarah Palin Never Read
Ethan Ris

Attention children's literature fans! Rush to the nearest bookstore and snap up your copy of "Daddy's Roommate" before it's too late! It may be target number one in a McCain/Palin administration.

The 1990 book by Michael Willhoite -- targeted at 3 to 8 year-olds -- was apparently singled out by Sarah Palin for banning from the Wasilla, Alaska public library

Witnesses and contemporary news accounts say Ms. Palin asked the librarian about removing books from the shelves. The McCain-Palin presidential campaign says Ms. Palin never advocated censorship.

But in 1995, Ms. Palin, then a city councilwoman, told colleagues that she had noticed the book "Daddy's Roommate" on the shelves and that it did not belong there, according to Ms. Chase and Mr. Stein. Ms. Chase read the book, which helps children understand homosexuality, and said it was inoffensive; she suggested that Ms. Palin read it.

"Sarah said she didn't need to read that stuff," Ms. Chase said. "It was disturbing that someone would be willing to remove a book from the library and she didn't even read it."

Considering that the children’s book is 32 pages long and has one sentence per page, I can’t imagine that it would have taken up too much of Palin’s time. But I can understand her desire to not have to read the kind of graphic filth portrayed by Willhoite. Here's an excerpt from a 1993 Entertainment Weekly review...

No political strife intrudes on this cheerful story told by a small boy who easily accepts the love and stability offered by Dad and Dad's roommate. ''My Mommy and Daddy got a divorce last year. Daddy and his roommate Frank live together. When weekends come, we do all sorts of things together,'' including visits to the zoo and ball games. Dad and Frank are forthrightly shown sharing the housework, fighting and making up, watching TV, and sleeping (just sleeping) in the same bed. The bright, cartoonish pictures have the mainstream-America feel of an Archie comic.

Repulsive! I can only hope that after being forced to think about this garbage, Palin was able to clear her mind by butchering a moose.




http://blog.indecision2008.com/2008/09/15/the-worst-book-sarah-palin-never-read/

Author: Shane
Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 3:44 pm
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A community certainly has an interest in restricting what is available to children, but I would absolutely never support the banning of any book for adults. Even as far as restricting a book from children, the book should still be AVAILABLE, but only to adults.

Author: Chickenjuggler
Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 3:59 pm
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I hope this gets addressed during the debate. I would like an explanation of why she felt the need to restrict books.

And I would like her to say it out loud.

Author: Missing_kskd
Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 11:09 pm
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Will never happen.

She says that and they lose.

Author: Mrs_merkin
Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 11:38 pm
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I had to smirk at her discussing the economy and being worried about college savings for her kids.

Like any of her kids are going to college.

Oldest Son: loser druggie - goes into the service to shape up and grow up. No other option or life skills.

Oldest daughter: Another loser, pregnant by fellow boozin' loser at 16. Attends leadership conference with Mom in NYC at $700/night hotel. Obviously slept or texted Boyfriend through key points. Current Job: toting the official prop baby around to hide her own rapidly expanding bun.

I'd say it's not looking good for the other misc. and forgotten kids.

Author: Littlesongs
Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 11:49 pm
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Missing KSKD: "A far better looking Cheney, IMHO. That's a bad combination to let climb too far!"

Big Red Flag:

Ifill: "Governor, you said in July that someone would have to explain to you exactly what it is the vice president does every day. You, senator, said, you would not be vice president under any circumstances. Now maybe this was just what was going on at the time. But tell us now, looking forward, what it is you think the vice presidency is worth now."

Palin: "No, no. Of course, we know what a vice president does. And that's not only to preside over the Senate and will take that position very seriously also. I'm thankful the Constitution would allow a bit more authority given to the vice president if that vice president so chose to exert it in working with the Senate and making sure that we are supportive of the president's policies and making sure too that our president understands what our strengths are. John McCain and I have had good conversations about where I would lead with his agenda."

Ifill: "Governor, you mentioned a moment ago the constitution might give the vice president more power than it has in the past. Do you believe as Vice President Cheney does, that the Executive Branch does not hold complete sway over the office of the vice presidency, that it it is also a member of the Legislative Branch?"

Palin: "Well, our founding fathers were very wise there in allowing through the Constitution much flexibility there in the office of the vice president. And we will do what is best for the American people in tapping into that position and ushering in an agenda that is supportive and cooperative with the president's agenda in that position. Yeah, so I do agree with him that we have a lot of flexibility in there, and we'll do what we have to do to administer very appropriately the plans that are needed for this nation. And it is my executive experience that is partly to be attributed to my pick as V.P. with McCain, not only as a governor, but earlier on as a mayor, as an oil and gas regulator, as a business owner. It is those years of experience on an executive level that will be put to good use in the White House also."

Ifill: [To Senator Biden] "Vice President Cheney's interpretation of the vice presidency?"

Biden: "Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history. The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.

And the primary role of the vice president of the United States of America is to support the president of the United States of America, give that president his or her best judgment when sought, and as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit.

The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he's part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive and look where it has gotten us. It has been very dangerous."


NYT Transcript

Even before the debate, Sarah Palin was exposed by journalists as Dick the Sequel and Cheney with a Moose Gun. After this exchange tonight, she left no doubt in the minds of Americans about her desire for power. If Palin is elected, the Constitution, the country and our democracy are in peril.

Author: Broadway
Friday, October 03, 2008 - 10:11 am
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>>the Constitution, the country and our democracy are in peril

I remember a moment under Bill Clinton a few years over impeachment...the newshounds were saying the same thing...

Author: Andy_brown
Friday, October 03, 2008 - 11:47 am
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McSame and Palin's chances of being elected are getting smaller every day. The average of all polls this close to the election have some meaning, how much so you can decide for yourself.

Face some facts. Palin did not convince anyone that wasn't already a die hard Republican that she's got presidential qualifications, and even the most right winged looney tune realizes that Palin positives can not overcome McSame negatives as a result of his support for the Bush administration. Neither Palin nor McSame can point to what will be different about their never to be administration and the Boosh administration on key issues like the war (the root cause of the economy being in such bad shape).

Author: Littlesongs
Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 10:52 am
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The Dick Cheney-style rhetoric from Governor Palin is being questioned by a growing number of people. Here are just a few:

David Nather was among the first to sound the alarm in the Congressional Quarterly:

Sarah Palin seemed to confirm tonight what her record as Alaska governor suggests: Her views on executive power, and specifically the powers of the vice presidency, might not be too far from the way Dick Cheney has approached the job.

It's not that vice presidential experts think Palin could come anywhere close to Cheney's level of influence, given that John McCain would be the experienced one in that partnership — the reverse of the relationship between Cheney and President Bush.

But it's hard to read her answer to Gwen Ifill's question tonight — about Cheney's insistence last year that the vice president doesn't belong to the executive branch — as anything other than a bid for as few constraints as possible.


Joanne Bamberger clearly expressed the sentiments of many Americans when she wrote in the Huffington Post:

I think it's time to make sure my passport is up to date, because I don't want to live in a country where a woman like Sarah Palin is a Vice President who will be pushed into the mold of Cheney.

It's scary enough to think of Palin as a heartbeat away from things like having to deal with our current economic crisis or how things are going in Afghanistan. But we don't need another administration that will run roughshod over the clear, unambiguous provisions of the Constitution, like Article I:


"The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided."

Period. That's it. The only legislative duty of the Vice President. Clearly, Palin didn't watch the John Adams mini-series scene where Adams was horribly put out, as he had to preside over Senate debate, yet remain silent.

Libertarian Presidential candidate, Bob Barr, reacted strongly to Palin. He was quoted in the Jackson Free Press:

"Despite the poor sentence structure and grammar, which rendered the comment largely unintelligible, lurks the disturbing notion that the powers of the vice president, already expanded dangerously by the current vice president, Dick Cheney, should be expanded even more," said Bob Barr, Libertarian Presidential nominee.

"For eight years, the United States has suffered as George Bush has assumed the role of a unitary executive," Barr continues. "In the vice-presidential debate, Governor Palin's expectation of playing the role of Senate whip and enforcer of presidential policy is disappointing as it is simply an extension of the heavy-handed tactics used by the Bush administration."


Today, the article, "Dick Cheney, Role Model" ran in the New York Times:

Any president deserves a vice president who will be a sound adviser and trustworthy supporter. But the American people also deserve and need a vice president who understands and respects the balance of power — and the limits of his or her own power. That is fundamental to our democracy.

So far, Ms. Palin has it exactly, frighteningly wrong.

Author: Alfredo_t
Monday, October 06, 2008 - 12:42 pm
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The ABC news piece that Moman74 posted at the beginning of this thread states that when Palin took office as mayor, she fired all city department heads and told them that they could re-apply for their jobs. Is this a common practice? It seems somewhat unethical to me.

According to the story, Palin belonged to an Assemblies of God church that had been advocating the removal of a book entitled _Pastor,_I_Am_Gay_ from local bookstores. Palin didn't ask the librarian to take any specific books off the shelves. Instead, she asked the librarian in a hypothetical sense, if citizens protested against a book or books being available in the city library, would she remove them. Palin said that she thought the librarian wasn't "loyal" to the new administration, partly because the librarian had supported Palin's opponent in the election. Again, I find this highly unethical, but I wonder if people might be reading (pardon the pun) pieces into the story that didn't really happen.


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