Candidates running even!

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Author: Beano
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 5:17 pm
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27324419/?GT1=43001

Author: Skybill
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 5:38 pm
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I said it a long time ago. The race is going to be neck to neck right up to the end.

It will be 1 or 2 states that make the final decision.

Author: Trixter
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 6:34 pm
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Ohio and Florida will be the deal breakers.... AGAIN!
But like the Republicans ALWAYS say.... Polls mean NOTHING... But they consistently use them.....
Hypocrisy? hummmmmm

Author: Skeptical
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 6:51 pm
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from the website:

In other surveys focusing on likely voters, a Washington Post-ABC News poll showed Obama up by 9 percentage points, while a poll by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center had Obama leading by 14. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, among the broader category of people registered to vote, found Obama ahead by 10 points.

I read elsewhere earlier today that this poll is one of some 10-odd polls conducted in the same time frame, and the ONLY one not showing Obama without a substancical lead. In fact, Obama leads in the poll in question as well.

So, in review, 10 polls show Obama leading McCain. Obama's lead ranges from a few points to 14 points. This is how the copy should have read. Instead Beano got taken by a teaser. Nice going.

Author: Edselehr
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 6:52 pm
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National polling is not very relevant. A gain of Obama support in OR or CA has no impact on the results since he's already ahead there, but a gain for Obama in the battleground states could help cinch it for him.

Start tracking the EV and the battleground states, and bone up on your electoral math.

Author: Skeptical
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 6:55 pm
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bone up on your electoral math

Especially if you plan to be a network anchor. :-)

Author: Kennewickman
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 7:00 pm
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IN the AP pole they are essentially even. In about 10 other reliable poles Obama is ahead. In the non partisan Pew pole they got Obama up by 14 ! Go figure that. Likely voter vs registered voters. Who knows...

It is all about who they call and where they live...average the poles out...the good poles...and you get a better picture. The average is about 7.0 for Obama last I saw.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls

Author: Skeptical
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 7:01 pm
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There's an echo in here.

Anyway:


RCP Obama +7.0
FOX News Obama +9
Rasmussen Reports Obama +6
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Obama +10
Gallup (Traditional)* Obama +5
Gallup (Expanded)* Obama +8
Hotline/FD Obama +5
ABC News/Wash Post Obama +11
IBD/TIPP Obama +4
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Obama +10
GWU/Battleground Obama +2
Associated Press/GfK Obama +1
Ipsos/McClatchy Obama +8
CNN/Opinion Research Obama +5
Pew Research Obama +14

Author: Kennewickman
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 7:02 pm
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I was typing and checking realclear.com while you were sending..LOL

Author: Skeptical
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 7:06 pm
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No biggie! :-)

Author: Kennewickman
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 7:13 pm
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You know, that list of polls looks strangely like my Satellite channel line up...

Traditional, expanded, IBD and TIPP and NBC/Wall Street/FOX/Reuters...geez louise..

Author: Vitalogy
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 10:35 pm
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Electoral Vote shows Obama with 364 electoral votes. 538 shows Obama with 344 electoral votes.

John McCain will lose in a landslide. OH and FL don't even matter.

Author: Listenerpete
Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 7:57 am
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The AP Poll is debunked HERE

Author: Littlesongs
Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 8:02 am
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Thanks Pete!

Outliers are usually the result of skewed poll samples and this was no exception.

Author: Mrs_merkin
Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 9:51 pm
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An email I got today:

What if things were Reversed?

Someone recently raised an interesting point regarding the two candidates for the presidency of the U.S. with respect to still common racist sentiments in our country. Upon serious reflection, it was really eye-opening. The question emerged - 'What if things were switched around?' To wit:

What if the Obamas had paraded five children across the stage following the debate, including a three month-old infant and an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter? How do you suppose your average midwesterner would've reacted to THAT?

What if John McCain was a former president of the Harvard Law Review? Do you think he would be making a big thing of it?

What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his college graduating class like McCain did? Would anyone look at that any
differently?

What if McCain had only married once and Obama was the one who was divorced instead?

What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair while he was still married? McCain skates on this one too, but can you imagine the treatment Obama would get over THAT?

What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to pain killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?

What if Obama, instead of McCain, had been a member of the Keating Five? (The Keating Five were United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)

What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included discipline problems and a record of crashing seven planes? Think that might come up or would we just talk about his years in a POW camp?

What if Obama was the one who was known to publicly display a serious anger management problem?

What if Michelle Obama's family had made their money from beer distribution?

This is the SHORT list. If the tables were turned, do you really believe the poll numbers would be what they are now?

It's eye-opening with respect to how we still think about race, isn't it? This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes qualities in one and emphasizes negative characteristics in another.

And, think of this - the candidates' educational backgrounds:

Barack Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

Joseph Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

John McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class academic rank: 894 of 899

Sarah Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism

Education may not be everything, but there's a bit of sensitivity regarding this given that our president for the past 8 years is also academically 'challenged.'

Author: Skeptical
Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 9:56 pm
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Imteresting . . .

One does wonder what if it was Obama who made a joke about Chelsea being ugly instead of McCain?

Author: Littlesongs
Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 10:07 pm
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Great stuff Merkin!

Here is another poll with a statistical tie between Obama and McCain.

It looks like it could be really close... waitaminnit...

"IBD/TIPP has John McCain ahead 74-22 among 18-24 year olds. Who knew the kids were groovin' on J-Mac these days?"

Yeah, who knew?


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