This is re-directed from the classic rock station thread, and I think it should have a tread of it’s own, for people who actually listen to KUFO. I started it in regards to why I heard Bon Jovi on KGON.

Well let me just say, I'm an 80's baby and a 90's kid. And 92.3 KGON isn't my #1 station. That would be 101 KUFO, 94.7 NRK, then KGON. For ROCK anyway. My dad listens to KGON, and when I was younger I thought, "Who wants to listen to that 'old' music." But now I like most of the stuff they play.
Classic Rock (to me) is definitely not anything from the 80's. Anything rock from the 80's [Motley Crue, Iron Maiden, KISS, Bon Jovi and the rest of the gang- as some one on the other thread mentioned] I just call 80's Metal, or Hair Bands. Some would use that awful term "Butt Rock".
This might be going off topic for 'KGON' but I need to rant. Now for just the last couple of years KUFO has been playing Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and Jimi Hendrix. Why? That's what KGON is for - Classic Rock. It seems like that's what kids are into these days, either that or the crap they play over at Mtv. I don't like it, I don't like it at ALL. If I want to hear those kinds of bands, I'll turn on KGON. When I listen to KUFO the types of bands I want to hear are Metallica, TOOL, Guns N' Roses, Ozzy, Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, etc. All the bands that make up a great Menage-a-Trois Weekend. KUFO still plays those bands, but they are over-shadowed by the continuous play of Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and Hendrix.
All I'm saying is, I don't like the change. But I guess that is to be expected as the world, society, and pop culture grows older. And so I guess I don't like this new generation. I still feel as though I'm part of that 80's Metal generation and the 90's grunge generation. This being because I had two older siblings who grew up in the 80's, so everything 80's was still around for me as I grew up. Especially music! I'm definitely not the typical person my age.
Now, I'm feeling sad. I miss those days so much. Not trying to sound corny. But it's for other reasons too. Wow, I hope you guys could understand all that.

I'm a 19 year old girl. And I've listened to KUFO for about as long as I can remember.

Anyone else feel this way?

Be kind.
Val

KGON and KUFO are competeing companies. You think CBS should just give up the Classic Rock market to the competition?

Right now KGON (Entercom) dominates the classic rock audience and has a good audience with KNRK for the newer stuff.

KUFO (CBS) basically has KUFO to cover about 40 years of music...they have a lot of gaps in the program listeners can slip through and find other options on the dial. All I am saying is that it seems like the music is spread to thin. It's like going to dinner and getting 12 dinner rolls with one wafer of butter....it ain't gonna cover them all very well. KUFO was set to stay with the more current music and 107.5 to go after the classic rock but CBS pulled the plug on it and went to a Movin format. (No comment on that move as I don't want to go there again). Now just the one Rock station.

The answer is a simple one that people not familiar with business models have a hard time grasping until it is explained to them, so here you go.

"...for just the last couple of years KUFO has been playing Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and Jimi Hendrix. Why?"

Because it makes money.

When people call up and ask why we aren't playing the new "Mushroomhead" song, I tell them the opposite, even though they tend to get offended, because once they put the pieces together I'm essentially telling them that people that listen to Mushroomhead don't have any money, and are therefore not important to advertisers.

The truth hurts.

Re: Jo's post.

It's a nice theory, but it's completely wrong.

The PD for KUFO has always been more into pandering to the more-off and established older audience. However, when the station was neck-and-neck with KNRK a few years back when NRK was trying to compete head-on with KUFO, it was necessary to battle back with newer music and not lose that grip on the younger, more aggressive listeners.

However, when KNRK went off in a different direction and the threat subsided, KUFO went back once again to the more profitable elements of programming.

Agree, the truth hurts. If it's the truth.

>>>people that listen to Mushroomhead don't have any money<<<

Where do you get your facts Pwalker?

I get the whole thing about KUFO and NRK competing back then, because I listened to a lot of NRK, when they had the old format. But now that the station and format has changed they're gunning for an older audience. Not really older, just not teens. Even though they play new and old alternative.
So wouldn't that make KUFO appeal to the younger ones, and the older ones to KGON? Since NRK and KUFO play entirely different music now. Why can't they leave KUFO to the modern/hard rock and KGON to the classic?
And yeah, yeah I get the whole thing about appealing to a wider audience, and needing to 'evolve' with the times. I don't like it, like I mentioned above.

"Where do you get your facts Pwalker? "

Because my name is Tim Savage, and I do nights on KUFO. I also used to be PD of a rock station.

KNRK and KUFO are both going for older listeners because that's where the money is. There are plenty of older listeners that will listen to different formats to make it a viable option.

There just isn't as much money with younger listeners.

Teens may have 100% disposable income, but that income is lower than someone 10 years older than them.

Portland loves the Pink Floyd, the ACDC, the Jimi Hendrix tunes..(on a side note, it's rumored that Little Richard fired Jimi from his band in our very own Crystal Ballroom....on stage, thus launching Jimi's solo career.) It would only make sense that we have a station that combines these with newer rock releases.

Personally, I feel that KGON goes for people my dad's age. When I was at some of their promotions, I also got the same idea from the listeners that came up to the tent.

KUFO skews slightly younger, although not much younger than 25. These men appreciate the older rock, yet yearn for newer stuff as well. I don't see KGON adding current rock releases any time soon.


I think it's some healthy competition. Music radio would be 10x as stale as it is if we didn't have any.

Thanks for the inside info there...I gotta tell you though I like KGON 70 to 30 over KUFO and that is probably entirely because I am in the M 42 Demo. I was just thinking that you guys at KUFO could have put more drive into the newer rock and that ROCK Hits could have done the classic head to head with KGON. I appreciate the varied format but as I said before....want the full meal deal not just the appetizer all of the time. You guys on the inside know what we on the outside do not. But sometimes the listener side does offer up some tidbits of useful critisism. If I was in the less than 35 demo I would most likely be listening to KUFO but I am the late 70's and 80's Rock child. I will say though that your morning show is better but when I choose a station I stay with it. One exception was "Bob Rivers", could not take it. It was great if I was trying to go to sleep but not for much else!

Gotta ask you though and you need not answer if you don't want but what is up with "Charlie". That is the most all over the board skitsofrenic station I ever heard! Is it doing well with ratings? I could not stand switching gears all of the time and sometimes throwing it into reverse while going forward at 70! Then again I am most likely not a target for it either. If I am though they missed this target.

Ooops! I think a certain newbie here owes someone an apology for their snarkiness.

Most adults want to hear some familiar music to ground them. Charlie seems to be doing better than most Jack type formats over time. How long it will last is anyone's guess.

Uh-huh

Charlie is a novelty format. It isn't meant to last, just as the 80's format wasn't, and the Movin format isn't.

It's like the stock market. You've got the blue chips like CHR, Rock, N/T, and then you've got those stocks/stations that are perfect for getting into early, making some bucks, and then cashing out before it's too late.

I disagree that the Movin' format won't last. It seems to be a more natural progression from the CHR of recent years than Hot AC. It just occurred to me that my previous post may have been taken as a single thought. The first sentence was about KUFO.

TY....makes more sense when you splain it that way! It just sucks though as I thought very highly of the DJ's at Rock Hits......thought they deserved better than that.

Rhythmic AC is here to stay as long as there are listeners moving up from Rhythmic CHR.

If CHR evolves to Splunge music, Splunge AC will eventually follow.

(It's from a Monty Python routine, or maybe it's just Spanish/Lounge/Grunge?)

In the early 80's I worked for a "hot AC" station that played "The Best of the 60's, 70's, and Today."

In the early 90's I worked with "hot AC"s and "AC/CHR"s that played "Your Favorties from the 70's, 80's and Today."

Now, Movin' stations are played the Rhythmic Hits from the 80's, 90's and Today."

Like Doctor shows, Detective shows, and teen angst comedies --- the format is certainly not new. It has always targeted 25-40 year old females who still want to believe they're hip (hence the currents) but really relate more to the music of their HS and dating years.

Charlie/Jack may be a novelty format. "All over the road" has never shown long term success.

Rhythmic CHR will always be around, but I'm talking more about the imaging. The logo, the moniker of "Movin," the specific high energy "makes ya feel good" branding that is being pushed is a temporary incarnation. It's just another shiny new wrapper on the same old thing.

Pwalker

You got a generic email address you can send. Want to ask a one-time off-forum question if that's OK.

The address in my profile is functional.

Thanks

Hey Pwalker

You guys not doing "RDS" data trans.? My stereo has that feature and I enjoy it when it works as I don't know all of the newer groups. But I don't pick up anything from you guys. Also....why in heck when I do an RDS scan for Rock does it stop on 107.5? Think thats needs a little tweak there!

L8R

You can email me at savage@kufo.com.

I don't know anything about the lack of RDS. That's a question for the engineers. Does it do it for any of the CBS Radio stations? KUPL, KINK, etc.?

I know Entercom does but I will have to check on CBS. I know 107.5 just says Movin but KUFO is NADS (no active data stream)! Will get back to you.

"Mr. Savage" could you tell Frank that he's my favorite? And that Marconi was better when he was on NRK with Tiny? And that Cort was better when it was 'Cort and Boomer'? You know, since you’re on the ‘inside’ and all?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooops, was that too 'snarky'?

Why not tell them yourself?

Because it's past 10:00 on a school night.

Lights out, sweetie.

I don't have a bed time. Don't talk to me like I'm you're fucking child. I came here thinking I could express my feelings. But all I got was people talking down to me. You know none of you are any different than me. Maybe this should be a board for only people who work in the business. That way you can all talk your 'radio talk' amongst yourselves. I guess listeners opinions aren't welcome.

LOL

Ha Ha Ha Have a good laugh?
I don't like you either. Not assuming that's who you really are either. Because it is the internet. Everything or 'everybody' is anonymous.

Look, Valerie, I think you're catching shit mostly because your tone (especially very recently in this thread) seems to be less about "sharing opinons" or ensuring they're "welcome" and more about showing out, yunno? That's gonna tend to rub people wrong whether what you're saying has validity or not.

Plus, you don't seem to be very open to the differing opinions being offered to you, opinions that come from different viewpoints than you're used to looking at radio from. So it ends up coming off sorta pissy and dismissive, which, again, tends to rub people the wrong way.

Tim explained why it works the way it works, and you kinda shit on him for it. Not BADLY, and he's a big boy, but to whine about how "YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME, I'M JUST THE SAME AS YOU ARE" after a pretty empty post where you just puke up opinion without attempting any sort of thoughtful explanation of it (as in your original post) you're just asking to get bitchslapped by SOMEONE here.

Which is saying something because most of the regulars here don't even LIKE KUFO, and more than likely would tend to AGREE with your assessment of the station. Difference being they don't feel defensive and dismissive when someone gives them info they weren't expecting to hear.

Well, not MOST of the time, at least. This place can be a little catty.

I mean--WHY is Frank your favorite? WHY do you like Boomer better than me? What made Marconi's program drop in quality from NRK to KUFO? If you put any meat on the bone there, you probably would have had something, but instead of substance, you substituted

"OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooh SNAP!!!"

I joined this board when I was just a listener, too. It can be rough in the beginning as sometimes you feel really condescended to, whether you were or not. But there's definitely a place here for just plain old listeners, and I wish there were more of them showing up, and it's cool that you're here, but you can't just throw a hissy and threaten to storm off after someone like Merkin pulls your pants down for acting the fool.

Well, I guess you could, but it'd just make you look bad. But since you seem to be approaching conversation here with the idea that we're all faking it and hiding behind our computers, whether or not you CARE if it makes you look bad is another question altogether.

That said, our show (and Tim's) kick unholy amounts of ass.

Get the industrial-size Midol, wash your mouth out with some lifebouy, Take FBR's advice and make a fresh start. Like Massingill.

Were you born in 1981 like Britney? Oh wait you're 19, my bad.

Take your own advice and "Be kind".



Listener Merkin

First off the reason for my sarcasm was because I don’t like being told “I need to apologize”. Like I said, it’s the internet, it’s anonymous. How am I suppose to believe people are who they say they are. And yeah I know it was the immature route. So what? The way I took it was that people were talking down to me, hence the “you’re not any different than me because you work in radio and I’m just a listener.”

>>>>after a pretty empty post where you just puke up opinion without attempting any sort of thoughtful explanation of it (as in your original post)<<<<

How was my original post empty? I just told the way I felt from a listener’s point of view. I’m just one listener, I know. And I was happy that I found a place where I could express it, where people might understand. Maybe I don’t use the same terminology you guys use because I don’t work in radio. You know, I just wanted the old KUFO back (talking about the music). And I thought I described that in my original post.

So going on what I said:

>>>>WHY is Frank your favorite?<<<<

Frank is my favorite because he does weekends where there are no talk shows. I like listening to the talk shows, don’t get me wrong. But I LOVE the Menage-a-Trois Weekends. When the best music is played (IMO). And he’s been there a LONG time.

>>>> WHY do you like Boomer better than me?<<<<

I didn’t say I didn’t like you. I didn’t like ‘you’, the person behind the username laughing at me. I just miss the way things used to be sometimes; the old shows. May sound pathetic, because it’s ONLY radio. But I listen to music more than I don’t. And it’s mostly the radio. The Cort and Fatboy show is pretty funny.

>>>> What made Marconi's program drop in quality from NRK to KUFO?<<<<

First off, I was surprised as FUCK to hear that Marconi was coming on KUFO. (You know, “F-UFO.” He, he.) But anyway. I don’t know if the show’s better now or before. It’s just different. I miss Tiny and Niki J when he was on NRK. The show was funny then, and it’s funny now, just in different ways. When he was on NRK I’d come home from school and listen to the Marconi Show religiously.

I will say I do agree, KUFO KICKS ASS!!! But going back to the point of my original post, I sometimes miss the way it used to be.

With that said, maybe this isn’t the place for me. I hope the rest of you don’t laugh at my expense. As I tried to give an honest, mature answer. And thank you Fatboyroberts for you response.

Mrs_merkin,

>>>>Were you born in 1981 like Britney? Oh wait you're 19, my bad.<<<<

What does that mean? That I'm not mature because I was sarcastic, and that I'm younger than people here?

And you know, I WAS being kind. Until I felt that I wasn't being taken seriously.

Hence, your posts:

>>>>Get the industrial-size Midol, wash your mouth out with some lifebouy, Take FBR's advice and make a fresh start. Like Massingill.<<<<

"...without attempting any sort of thoughtful explanation"(as in your original post): I took that as meaning your original post gave a thoughtful explanation but a later one did not.

You were being taken seriously, and there are a couple of nice responses that prove that.

Then you blew it by being rude. You should have apologized to the kind, knowlegable (sp?) person (PWalker) who took the time to respond to you, and told you the actual facts about what you were asking.

Yes, the internet can be a faceless and anonymous place, but do you talk to people like that to their face? I hope not. Otherwise, you're off to a bad start here.

Just my .02

YMMV

Oh, I guess I read that wrong. After re-reading it sounds right the way you said it Semoochie. Thanks for pointing that out.

You're welcome!

Going on what you said Mrs_merkin,

When I read

>>>>Because my name is Tim Savage, and I do nights on KUFO. I also used to be PD of a rock station.<<<< by PWalker

I interpreted that as sarcasm. Like I said before, "It’s the internet, it’s anonymous. How am I suppose to believe people are who they say they are."

For an example of people being who they say they are, read the "Mike Phillips" thread. It's full of thoughtful, eloquent responses from some truly professional broadcasters.

I honestly didn't feel any disrespect or anything, so no worries on my part.

But it's funny you should mention that about Frank, because I'm going to segue it into one of my pet peeves about radio, which are unintentional backhanded compliments.

Let me first say that I'm not blaming you nor anyone else, because you guys as listeners simply don't know. But when a listener says something like "I love such and such because he plays lots of music and doesn't talk much," well, we really hate that, haha. The reason being is because you're literally saying "I like the fact that you don't talk, because I'd rather hear the music." And since we don't pick the music, play the music (it's all done by computer), or do anything with the music, you're literally telling us that you like everything that we aren't involved with, and nothing that we are, since the ONLY thing we're paid to do is talk/entertain.

Again, I can't get mad at a listener for not knowing that, I'm just blowing off some steam.

Let me say, I like hearing the DJ's do their shows. I enjoy listening to the 'talk' in between the music and the commercials. And I do know that you guys (DJ's) don't pick the music. The talk shows at KUFO are entertaining. So I'm not saying that all I want to hear is music from KUFO. But when I do, it’s the Menage-a-Trois Weekends that I love. So that’s why I said that about Frank. Cause he’s the guy that goes along with the Menage-a-Trois Weekends for me. Ha, Ha. I know not the ‘guy who picks the music’ but the guy who presents it to me.

And thank you for your reply Pwalker, you made me feel better about all this.

Each DJ should be allowed one day to "FREEFALL" without the computer......let the guy or gal behind the mic show his or her personality through their music choices.....you know...the way radio should be...

What a great idea! This is what is ALL wrong about local radio today. That ^&*(^%$$ computer.
The only advantage stations have today is to be LIVE and LOCAL. And yes it would be nice to hear some freedom instead of a bunch of up-tight P.D's that sit in their offices all day looking at numbers. Throw some SH at the wall & see if some sticks! Thats radio.

You could make it "FREEFALL FRIDAYS"....now that would be good programming......wait...that would be a great non-programmed program!!!! Bet that one day would be the best rated day of the whole week!!! Hey you PD types.....try it once and see if it works...!!! Hey...have another great idea....why don't you guys over at KUFO take the computer out into the parking lot and give it the tickle me elmo treatment with the HUMMER!!!! LOL OOOOpppppppsss Gee don't know how that happened...sorry boss guess I snapped!!!

I like the computer. It's a lot more reliable than carts, CDs, Mini Discs, Reel to Reel, etc.

It sounds better as well. I don't believe in blaming the tools for the follies.

It's no the computers fault.....it's the political red tape these days. But a little "Non-OTTO" mode once in a while would not harm anything! What ever happened to the good old fashioned live request lines?

Copernicus,
While a computer is more reliable, cd's, carts, tape sound BETTER on the air. Have you ever jocked the old stuff?

Yes. Carts break, CDs skip. And tapes are not higher quality than an MP3 the last I checked.

I just disagree with your opinion about sounding better on the air. While analog tends to have a warmer sound, the actual sound quality tends to be higher on digital.

It's more efficient, it allows me to have more time to see if there is anything "breaking" going on showprep-wise...and it lets me focus on phone calls rather than cutting tape or scrambling to cue something up.

and where did you cut tape, or play a record?

where are you on the air ?

I keep my professional affiliations separate on this board, it just works better that way. The people who work with me know who I am....

I was one of the last of the youngins who learned how to cut tape. (I'm 23)

And I will KILL to protect my collection of vinyl! =)

why are you being so secret?

where'd you cut tape at?

Well to start off, I learned at MHCC about 5 years ago.

I did some conversions off of reel to reel for an old writer for Johnny Carson for a bit of time.

I'm not being secret, I just think there's a good reason to have separation between my career and the internet...as I have seen the repercussions of an ill-placed opinion on the world wide web.

I also came into my current company at the end of the cart era...I can't say I miss those too much to be honest.

"like I said, it’s the internet, it’s anonymous."

Well, actually, that's the first misconception. No, it's not. Not anymore. It was like that once but the internet is very much a place where people are increasingly being who they are. Plus, you gotta ask yourself, why, of all the people to impersonate on the internet, would a large group of people impersonate the jocks on a radio station in Portland?

"How was my original post empty?"

I said your original post was THOUGHTFUL. It got emptier the farther down you got as you got more and more snide and pissy, apparently because you think no one on the internet is real.

It just seems that entire outlook is pretty counterproductive. You came here to ask questions and get answers, and then when someone answers, you dismiss them because there's no way anyone here could be ANYTHING but full of shit. Because it's the internet and everyone is lying. That's kind of an accusatory mindset going in, yunno?

Again, maybe back in 98 it was like that, but not so much anymore.

It's no hard feelings. If I got all weepy and butthurt every time someone logged online and talked yang about me, I'd be...I'd be other DJ's here in the cluster. ;) But dissenting opinion is perfectly cool with me. I'm just trying to help out with WHY you got the responses you got. It's all gravy over here

Anyway, as far as KUFO's music choice changing--sit tight, we are getting a new PD, who knows what tweaks they'll add to the playlist. Maybe they'll start dropping in shit like Trivium and In Flames. Maybe they'll start throwing in some rare album cuts from the Tyrannosaurs of Rock we let stomp around the playlist. Maybe it'll stay status quo. Maybe it'll be menage-a-trois weekends all the time because it'll be cheaper to automate the station than to pay for all that air-talent currently cracking jokes up and down the dial.

Lot of options currently on the table for the near future.

"Each DJ should be allowed one day to "FREEFALL" without the computer......let the guy or gal behind the mic show his or her personality through their music choices.....you know...the way radio should be..."

I've done that, and can do that, but I don't WANT to.

Having been a PD and MD, I have learned the value of a tight playlist. You can argue with me night and day from top to bottom about it, but I have seen the power of a tight playlist, and if I ever decide to go back into the management side of things, I'll utilize it again. Playing random songs more than once in a while would be ultimately detrimental.

I'm not in radio to play music. I'm in radio to create and tell stories, because that's what I like to do. Yeah, there are DJs that are in it for the music, but I'm not one of them, nor are most of the jocks I know.

Plus, nobody would even listen to the station if I played songs from my own playlist from home, haha. Well, a few would, but you'd also hear a massive clicking sound throughout the market as all the radios switched at once.

Good point...
What about maybe one hour once in a while for "DJ's" choice or for an all request line....would that be out of the realm of things?

Well yeah, we did a request hour every night for about 2-3 years, and currently I host an amatuer hour on Friday nights where we pick someone's playlist, and not only do their songs get played, but they actually come into the station and host the hour. I don't know of any other station in the country that does that.

NRK did it five years ago with their "DJ for a Day" segment...

^ NRK does that. When they have the "your perfect play list", sometimes they have the actual person who picks the five songs come into the studio. But it's only for about a half n hour.



Fatboyroberts said >>>>"like I said, it’s the internet, it’s anonymous."

Well, actually, that's the first misconception. No, it's not. Not anymore.<<<<

Maybe I thought it could have been some psycho-obsessed Tim Savage fan (you know I'm sure there's some out there somewhere, he he) impersonating him. It's not like it would be that hard of a thing to do on the internet. I didn't know. No bad blood though, eh?


And speaking of music choice changing, I about shit when I heard The Killers on KUFO the other day. The Killers, on KUFO! I like the Killers, I just don't want to hear them on KUFO. Ah, just more of my opinions.

Frankly, I'm not sure why we're playing the new Killers song considering I think it's crap. We never touched the first album, and there were some great songs on there.

I guess you just gotta do your thing and keep an intertaing show going and let the PD field the flak for crap music! Nothing you can much do about it right. Just keep pitching your program and shovel out the crap along with the good tunes that the ole jukebox dishes out. Don't they just play those things once in a while just to observe the feedback?

...sit tight, we are getting a new PD...

Yea right! You think Dumme is going to relinquish control of his baby?

Guess again Fatboy.

He is the VP of West Coast Alternative Programming and will be quite capable of making all the programming decisions he needs to make from the comfort of his San Francisco office.

Get used to the same 500 songs they have been playing for the last 11 years.

CBS aint gonna throw down the cake for a new PD.

As far as the Killers go....
It tested well, end of story.

I take that back...500 minus that awesome Craving Theo song.

Wallace, you are the most bitter and angry person I have ever come across in my life, ever.

As far as the "same 500 songs," that's what works. KUFO has been one of the top rated rock stations in the country more often than not.

There was someone else more bitter a while back but he got an attitude ajdustment and realized he was way out of line and complaining about things he didn't have a clue about. Instead of offering constructive input he was completely negative about something he should have even cared about. But he thought some people he liked got shafted and blew a gasket and lashed out before thinking it through. Ignorance can be a very bad thing especially with anonymity and a Bad Temper! I know he regrets and is sorry about being such an ASS. He is still around but that person no longer posts in this forum. I know him and he is not a terrible person, he was just going through a whole bunch a crap right then and it was the easiest place for him to let off steam!
Anyway...long story short sometimes people are worthy of a second chance so long as they learn from their mistakes, come clean about it, and change their ways as a result.
Thanks

Still, I see NO aplogy from our new little twinkie here.

She's arrogant and has a potty mouth..not off to a good start.

Twinkie? ha ha ha

Arrogant? Don't judge me from the few sarcastic posts I have made. I have already explained myself for that. What's wrong with having a 'potty mouth'? Like it's so bad to say the word 'fuck'! Oh my God!

You still have that motherly tone to ya.

Oh My God......It's Waynes rebellious Granddaughter.....

I'm not rebellious.

If you know Wayne and were his granddaughter you sure would be!!!!!LOL

Hey by the way......the joke is about wayne not you.....

Don't know Wayne, not his granddaughter. Maybe she's rebellious, but not me.

Oh. I didn't want you to start acting like Mrs. Motherly too.

Valerie is pretty damn annoying! I think it CAN be about her. By the Way Valerie, are you Jacquel's sister?

If I could offer some advice....
Take a hit on your pride and maybe make ammends and just move on. This will only get worse as it grows.....been there and done it. This is a great group of people once you get to know them. Don't dig in any deeper. I'm not saying you were at fault but is it really worth pursueing?

Have a Good One

Hey TimberFake...

Was I close on the description in the thread:
Fun Matching People to Cars and Driving Habits

Yes you were Joamon4sure.
By the way,Were you at the Van Halen Concert when they came to portland a few years back at the Rosegarden??
I had front row tickets, you may have remembered me.
I had a bright red shirt that read "I CAN"T DRIVE 55!"

I did move on, I was talking nicely with Fatboy and Savage. But then Mrs. came back calling me an arrogant twinkie. So I'm going to defend myself. It was her original post that pissed my off in the first place. And then you have Timberfake on the other thread mocking me, and when I confront him he calls me annoying. To all you others, I didn't mean to annoy you. I seriously had NO intentions on coming here and being a pest. Please don't get that impression. All I'd like to do is talk about the music, as I was continuing to do.

There it was Mrs M, completely buried and you may have to slow down the tape but I definitely heard it!

I'm just trying to make peace and was really attempting to get Mrs M's attention. My 2 rules in life: 1. Women are always right. 2. If there are 2 women in a room with differing opinions, they're both right. Most of us are not out to get you. If you feel someone is, ignore them. Ok, I went back over the thread and it seems that the whole thing stems from asking PWalker(an extablished entity on this board)where he got his facts. The problem is in the wording. It sounds like you don't believe him. This made him upset, along with some other people and that put YOU on the defensive. After that, any negative comment from you came off(to some people)as the literary equivalent of sticking out one's tongue. By the way, the owner of this site doesn't really encourage profanity. There's supposed to be a program installed to catch that. Stick around, get to know us and welcome!

I would like to go on the record and say I was never upset. She asked me where I got my facts, so I just stated that I'm on the inside of what she was asking about.

Valerie, a word of advice:

The gentleman that runs this board, from what I understand, asks you to watch your language. If you don't, he does have the power to delete the account. And from what I have seen since I've been reading/lurking, he has done it.

If you want to remain here...I'd find a more eloquent way to phrase your frustrations.

To everyone else: For one, you can't add tone of voice to the internet. For another, letting emotion in on internet discussions is silly, and an inefficient discussion tool on message boards.

If KUFO were to play Motorhead " Ace of Spades" all day, I'd be a happy guy!

Savage,

How do you become the Top Rated Rock station in the country?

Do they take national ratings? How those numbers look after Sterns
departure?

If it weren't for Stern KUFO wouldn't have been able to hold off NRK.

So Valerie
What do you think of KUFO's neighbor MOVIN formerly Rock Hits?

Hey Justin
Did you get the stuff I left for you?

No I did not make the concert. I was musically impaired at that time!
BTW
Sorry bought going mental Bro!

Val...I love you!

Don't let these boneheads push ya' around!!

Good questin Twally...how does a Portland radio station become a top station in the country without Howard Stern?

I'd hate to think that Cort & Fatboy make it a top rock station. Without Fatboy you've got an emo-nerd with a hard-on for Pearl Jam. And without Cort, you've got a never-been-laid midget with a hard on for Superman who's idea of a good friday night is beating off to the Matrix trying to find the secret deleted scenes of Keanu's a$$ in the Matri-shower.

Preceding that, its Marconi...who's 3 genes short of a monkey. After that, its Savage, who's got more VD than a Vietnamese prostitute and cries uncontrollably when he smokes Pot.

All the makings of a top station.

Key phrase in Pwalkers previous Post..."has been"

And why does Dumme hire all dudes? Weird...

Reading you all bitch and moan about a goin-nowhere rock station makes me glad I don't do radio anymore.

I'd hate to think that Cort & Fatboy make it a top rock station. Without Fatboy you've got an emo-nerd with a hard-on for Pearl Jam. And without Cort, you've got a never-been-laid midget with a hard on for Superman who's idea of a good friday night is beating off to the Matrix trying to find the secret deleted scenes of Keanu's a$$ in the Matri-shower.

<sally field>YOU LISTEN! YOU REALLY, REALLY LISTEN!! </sally field>

Actually, a good friday night is watching Battlestar Galactica on Sci-Fi, but I just heard they're gonna move that to Wednesday's at 8, which is sorta stupid. But then I can have my girl tape it for me.

OH YEAH I GOT A WOMAN, UH-HUH. YEAH. IT'S TRUE. Boo-yah.

The station took a hit when Stern left, but not as bad as other stations in the country. About a ratings point or two tops. At least in the men 18-49 range.

Obviously it's less about the douchebags crying over inhaling or discussing Megatron vs Galactus inbetween lame Jon Stewart impersonations, and more about the rock, but it seems to be working.

But seriously, thanks for listening

LOL Bonger. You've argued my side for me! I wish all debates were that easy. How can you argue that no one listens when you talk about implicit details from C&F's show or my show that happened months or even years ago. Hey, thanks for listening.

And Wallace, anyone in programming that follows radio stations models will back me up on KUFO's success. There are a handful of rock/alternative stations in the country that are revered for being THE leaders and powerhouses. The stations include KQRC, WEBN, KUFO, KISW, WAAF, KXTE, and a few others. As a young programmer, I had been following KUFO (and others) years before I ever had an inkling to come here.

As rock ratings have fallen all over the place, those stations have mostly stood the test of time. There have been others (such as 98 Rock in Tampa) that have had glory days, but currently have fallen on hard times. But the powerhouses have done well consistently not just with ratings, but with innovations and being solid models for how a rock station should be.

Did we lose ratings when we lost Stern? Yes. Were they THAT bad? No. This is actually Carolla's second-highest rated market outside of L.A., so he's been doing well for us. We took an all around hit to the ratings this book, but it was a fluke. The first two phases had our usual 12+ numbers at around 3.5, and then in the final phase we literally got a .9. If you have any experience at all, you know what that means, and it isn't that 80% of our listeners just stopped listening for a month. I could go into more detail about this past book, but not on a public message board.

I'd love to chat more, but I have a date for the Portland Art Museum.

Implicit details? I was merely talking about my own personal experience in the presence of said douchebags. It had nothing to do with listening, only with what I've seen with my own 3 eyes. I've seen Cort drool over Pearl Jam. I've seen Fatboy walk around like he's God's gift to radio. I've seen Savage whine like a bitch after taking a Bong hit. And Marconi...again, 3 genes...Monkey. Nothing I listened to, everything I saw.

I'm glad you think I listen though, gives ya something to hang on to. Cuz I'm sure the dozens of people that listen in Camas, Molalla, and the outer edges of Canby are clinging to every word you "air talents" are saying.

Thank God for Sirius.

so..wait a min..I mean, I'm gonna see if I can shove my considerable, monstrous ego out of the way enough to piece this together, but--are you saying you've WORKED with us before?

Because if you've worked with us--I don't walk around much. Mostly to the bathroom and back. And when I do, there's no swagger. There's a sort of loping motion, but that's because I'm built like a neanderthal and I have very long, sloth-like arms.

Weird. I can't think of anyone in the building who could have gotten the impression I think I'm God's gift to ANYTHING. Maybe God's gift to arguing on the internet about Star Wars. I dunno

It's a leadership issue Savage. Dumme has killed moral at that station time and time again.
Letting Tom Turner go. Why? Because Turner stood up to Dumme when he tried to shove Boomer on Toms show.
Thinking Boomer was the next Stuttering John, only to excuse him 2 years later.
Screwing around with peoples air shifts. It's great for moral when you give C&F the afternoon drive just to turn around and hand it off to a loser like Marconi.
There wasn't one person in that building who thought bringing in a loser like Marconi was a good idea, and only one person said anything. Have you ever been in a room of jocks when Marconi walked in? It's very quiet, not even a "Hey Coni what's up?" Because everbody at 1st ave. hates that fat tool, except the losers and hacks he surrounds himself with like that overweight
Paula Poundstone wannbe.
So...What has Dumme taught you (Savage) about programming?
How to turn a 5 hour on-air shift into a 3 hour on-air shift?
How to keep your jocks happy?
How to avoid your air-staff?
How to continue to be an enigma to your staff?
How to hire universally hated people?
How to paralyze yourself with research?
Go back to your crutch, that bottle of Jeigermeister you keep in the studio and work some killer phoners tonight.

Considerable monsterous ego? At least you've recognized it, not all you gotta do it control it. And when you've figured it out...let Savage know how to deal with it...His Florida sized ego is too big for that girly car of his.

God I'm bored...

Apparently. ;)

Honestly though, I don't have a considerable monstrous ego. There's a difference between basic self-confidence and ego. Often one is confused for the other, and I get a little nervous that some people will make that mistake, but hey--I can't control other people's insecurities and perceptions through sheer force of will, (have a hard enough time controlling my own neuroses) so if people get a wrong read on me in person, I apologize and hope I can fix the misunderstanding later. Interacting with people is always a bit of a minefield beyond the surface shit.

Still though--I'm having a hard time thinking of anyone here in the building who could have gotten the idea I walked around 1st ave like my shit doesn't stink. Or Savage, for that matter.

Seriously--call me out on a specific. At the least, it should make for decent reading, that is, if anyone else is still reading this thread beyond the current or former employees of CBS Radio at 1st Avenue.

Hey FatBoy

Battlestar Galactica is a pretty FRACKIN good show man. Was a huge fan of the original and even like this one better. Edward James Olmos is far better than Lorne Greene! At first I thought it was bad that they made Starbuck a Woman but it would have sucked if they did not....would have been to much testosterone on the show!!

Later

There are no specifics Fats. Just bustin your balls. Thats the sh!t about radio, 1st Ave in particular. People may be pleasent to your face, but they'll stick ya when you're not lookin.

I'll say this--it's not just a radio thing. The same sort of high-school bullshit happens EVERYWHERE man. It's like the stupid cave in Empire Strikes Back: The only danger is what you bring in with you, and regardless where you work, there's gonna be people who bring in a giant backpack full of drama in there with em.

My time at 1st Ave whether it ends today or ends a couple years from now, has been, for all the ups and downs and changes, pretty drama free compared to the warehouses, call-centers and retail stores I worked at before I apparently grew a monstrous ego and began crapping on everyone else at 1st ave

Can ya feel the love in this post? CAN YA FEEL IT!!

I'm just happy I've managed to work in Sally Field, Battlestar Galactica AND Star Wars references into a lame defense against a bored assault on my character from a guy I'm pretty sure I've hung out with before

I'm a such an irredeemable pop-culture whore.

Well said Fats. Coulda done without the Star Wars analogy. I hope your "girl" appreciates The Force as much as you.

Boy, I can't wait for Savage to chime in with his 3rd grade wit and cerebral paulsey like intelligence.

The board is yours...

(salutes) Why, thanks Sarge!

And the girl actually owns a voice-controlled R2-D2. But she still has Dirty Dancing on DVD and listens to Liz Phair, so she's well rounded.

She exists, I swear to god. She exists and she likes zombie movies and comic books. I swear to god. She does. She's REAL. REAL I SAY.

Woa woa woa. Hold the phone here. Don't mix me up with this ball of fury. I may be a disgruntled former 1st ave employee whose made more money in the past year than the 5 I spent at Infinity, but I'm certainly not THAT disgruntled. Although, I do wish I had Sirius. Local radio does kinda blow.

And I gotta agree FB, you're not tall enough to walk around like God's gift to radio, I should know, you're one of the few I'm taller than.

Ask dad, he'll tell ya..

Now I'm really confused. Who mixed who up with who?

Sarge is I balls face. Like I said, don't get me mixed up with someone who just might shoot up the place if you're not careful. Damn Fatty Fat Fatboy.

Long time by the way, how ya doin? Tell Cort he's still gay. No matter how many kids he has.

Oh snap, "SARGE" SARGE!

Dude, I'm sorry, I didn't even think of it like that. I was goofing on the super-official "the board is yours." comment, so I figured I should respond with an Honorific. I almost said "Cap'n" but that's my nickname for Cort.

Anyway, things are going okay, I guess, except for the permeating uncertainty of knowing there's a new boss coming in. But the show sounds fine (blatant plug http://www.cortandfatboy.com blatant plug) and I'll pass that message onto Cort.

edit: Just told Cort. he laughed..and then his head drooped and all joy left his face and I could see the color drain from his body, and he retreated back to his own personal gay hell.

And then I laughed at him.

Shameless plug man...shameless.

Oh how I miss the good tim...f*ck that, no I don't.

To Bonger:

I've only had one bong hit in my life. One. But I did talk about how terrible of an experience it was on the radio a few times. So either you're lying that you know me and are just rehashing the story I told on the air, or I know exactly who you are because there were only a few people there with me when I did it, and two of those people wouldn't talk shit to me or about me under any circumstance. As far as that third person is concerned...well I'll just assume you're lying and you aren't him, because it would be a shame to think he would be all smiles every time I saw him and then try to tear me a new one under what he thought was a veil of anonymity.

To Wallace:

I think Dave is a great programmer from the business side of things, but from the personal side of things, I agree, he can be robotic and is impossible to read. I knew that coming in here and I was aware of the history of air talent and how often people got flushed out. But my goal isn't to be embedded within the walls of the KUFO studio. And if you or anyone else are concerned about things like job security, fairness, peaceful working environments, stability, or anything else that would make you feel good about a career choice, then radio is THE worst decision you could make.

If you hated things that much while you worked here, you should have either busted your ass to move on or quit. Because let me tell you, working at KUFO has been a cakewalk compared to my last cluster where I had a GM that fired people for asking for a raise, didn't fire a man for calling his midday girl a c*** in front of a dozen employees and a client, and spanked my ass. And this was just the first week I worked there.

As far as my "crutch" is concerned, yeah, you got me. I'm a drunk. I'm just waiting for my liver to explode so I can talk about it on the radio.

FatBoyRoberts...

I found a picture of your dream car...check out the post below:
http://feedback.pdxradio.com/show.cgi?tpc=2186&post=155245#POST155245

Thank you Lander!!

By Joamon4sure

>>>>So Valerie
What do you think of KUFO's neighbor MOVIN formerly Rock Hits?<<<<

I liked 107.5 better when it was MIX 107.5. They still played the rock hits, but they played pop too. I’m a true rocker at heart, but I still love my fair share of 80’s pop. Now when I turn on Movin it sounds like it’s Z100 or something. No thank you. I would MUCH rather listen to Charlie. I find more music I like on that station than I do on Movin. If it can’t be ‘Mix 107.5’, I’d rather hear ‘Rock Hits’ than I would ‘Movin’.

I like talking to people who have the listeners perspective as well. Stick around Valerie, you could remind the old codgers of why we get to talk in the first place.....