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Someone should go after them in their Duke Comments.... WOW.. White People that are NOT Guilty... no way!

It's a bad world to live in when Al and Jesee can dictate what we can and can not say.
The Duke lacrosse players will be receiving an apology from Al and Jessee, right? Oprah will have the Duke lacrosse players on her show like she had the Rutgers basketball team, right?
Sharpton and Jackson are ambulance chasers and race baiters. They line their pockets and go to the next "scandal"

Al and Jesse didn't dictate anything. NBC and CBS canceled Imus because the advertisers pulled out. And guess who those companies were? Procter & Gamble. Staples. General Motors. American Express. Now, can you guess which political party these companies contribute to the most? (Hint: it's not the Democratic Party.)

There's an LA Times story today about how Imus's show was a big platform for Democratic politicians. And now it seems that Imus was canceled effectively because Republican-contributing advertisers pulled out. Gee, I wonder if there's a connection - ?

Andrew

Dream on, once again Andrew. The firestorm was generated by Al and Jesse, mostly because they wanted the spotlight.

I see many posts on this forum about freedom of speech, but I'll bet this same group won't be heard from when the Democrats move to silence the conservative talk shows with the return of the so called "fairness doctrine". Remember this post in the future when it happens.


>>>"Gee, I wonder if there's a connection - ?"

Give me a break. These companies advertise for a return on their investment. If they feel the firestorm created by the two morons could result in a boycott of their products, they're out of there. Jesse Jackson has been extorting things from these companies for years. He's a master at which buttons to push.

Has anybody noticed that Al Sharpton is running for president, again? He needs publicity, good, bad, or ugly.

Anyone who is white.

Deane you are right on the mark!! And it has been a proven fact that both especially Jackson are in the Corporate extortion business done in the claim of "justice"

Imus is not the only bad guy.

I think they should go after John Tesh. Defender of American White Bread Radio He is evil in his blandness and must be destroyed

Dean, please to be explaining exactly HOW the fairness doctrine will put conservative talk shows out on the street?

I've heard it and it doesn't make sense to me.

It basically requires notification of all "personal attacks" on individuals (political) and requires affording them time to reply. Every time something negative is said about idiots like Ted Kennedy or Nancy Polosi, they have to be notified and given reply time. The shear weight of it makes it impractical to continue.

Not only conservative talk shows, but liberal as well.

It's been a long time but that's the personal attack rule, not the fairness doctrine. The fairness doctrine requires all(or at least some)sides of an issue to be "fairly" represented. Most stations got around it by not being controversial in the first place.

I think you're right Semoochie. It's easy to see that both sides being fairly represented wouldn't work for either conservative or liberal talk radio. As a result, there would be none. You can also see what the Dems are chomping at the bit to get the fairness doctrine back in place.

How about a truthfulness doctrine?

\"Who is Al Sharpton and Reverend Jackson going after next?\\"

Djfrresh

I doubt if the "fairnes" doctrine would survice a court challenge today.

There are more than enough media outlets today, that all sides of an issue are presented.

Multiple sides of the issues are indeed represented, but the question is, how many people can HEAR both sides? How many stations broadcast Air America vs. Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh? In some media markets you can't tune into "all sides," more like one side.

Andrew

Thats the market deciding, if someone wants to hear the air america point of view, they just turn the dial.

If someone listens to sean hannity, they probably arent interested in the air america side. If the libs could find some entertaining artists, that a lot of people enjoy hearing, they would be on more stations.

And you, Nwokie, sum it up best in one simple paragraph.

You put people on the radio. If people want to listen to them, they will. If they don't they won't.

It makes no sense to be required to put something on the radio that no one wants to listen to just to make it "fair".

KPOJ has found that in this market, there are people that want to listen to the people they put on. The same can be said for KXL, KPAM, KEX....
Just because you like someone, doesn't mean everyone does.

That is why we have all these stations playing all different genres(?) of music.

It's not quite that simple, Jimbo. You can't expect talent that is put on a strong signal with a marketing budget to promote it to do as well as the same talent put on a weak station with no marketing budget. And there are a limited number of stations and only a few owners of these radio stations now. A station owner may choose to switch station formats for no sensible reason. Just look at some of the dumb choices Entercom has made in the Portland market, for example.

Some of the progressive talk stations nationwide have struggled, unlike KPOJ, because it's been hard to find advertisers for the shows, even though the ratings were respectable. The fact that a station may not have good sales people or put on progressive talk "as an experiment" and failed doesn't mean no one was listening to it and that therefore there was no market. Conservative talk is as well established market with low risk. Progressive talk is still new and different than conservative talk. It has to compete to get on the limited number of stations available, where conservative talk may already be established so what's the incentive for a station to take even a small risk? That says nothing about the quality or the market appeal of progressive talk radio programs.

Andrew

Is it just me or is there a small sense out " there " that Sharpton and Jackson may be on the receiving end of some backlash? I can't put my finger on it and honestly it may just be my own issues I'm projecting - and I don't FEEL racist - but there is something about all of this that doesn't feel...I don't know...proportionate.

Granted, Andrew2, people have to know that something/somebody is on the radio. However, once they know, they will listen if they like it whether there are advertisers or not. Whether you get sponsors or not affects the bottom line but does not affect whether or not someone listens.

We can sit here all day and night and postulate on what works and doesn't work but the bottom line is what is on the air. That is the "experiment" that needs to be made. We all have opinions... some agree and some disagree... none of that matters. What matters is what is on the air. Granted, some programmers obviously don't make correct decisions. Some things fail for whatever reason.

If it were easy, and we all had crystal balls, then everyone would be doing it.

I don't believe there were any conservative or liberal talk shows before the fairness doctrine was abolished. Talk radio was pretty moderate by design and appealed to an older audience.

Maybe Al Sharpton can go after Jesse Jackson for racist comments.

Oh, I bet Oprah's Town Meetin' will certainly be fair and change some minds!

Wonder why the Rutgers girls straightened their hair and covered up their Tattoos when they visited with Big O?

Just asking........

We all know why the cleaned up. Oh my, those poor girls. It's laughable some of them said they were scard for life! Give me a break. A 60 year old man can dictate how you feel? Please.
Where is the outrage and sympathy for the three Duke lacrosse players? They were hung out to dry by Duke, they had job offers pulled, their lives were turned upside down. Oprah.....still waiting to see the lacrosse players on your couch

I give you KLIQ of the late 60s/early 70s. Just Plain Jack (Hurd) was a defenite liberal while Mark Lee (in reality Martin Clark of the Oregon Journal) was a conservative. Del Leeson was liberal while Pete Wheeler was a conservative. KLIQ got away with having liberal and consrvative shows because they had both. Even so, in the end, it was a feud between Jack Hurd andf Mark Lee that brought an end to talk on the station.

...and I thought it was because KKEY raided their staff.

Exactly when was it that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were appointed President and Vice President of Black America?

If Sharpton and Jackson hadn't come forward on this incident, someone else (hopefully) would have. The Rutgers team members certainly had something to say about it in their news conference. The firestorm of publicity and firing of Imus is due to a variety of factors in the marketplace, not the least of which is that more Americans are turning against racism and sexism, whether it comes from old shock jocks, black rappers and white record company executives, or from Jackson and Sharpton themselves.

I see Imus' comment as racist, whether intentional or just off-the-cuff without thinking, in that it perpetuates an old attitude that African-Americans can never measure up no matter how hard they try. These athletes are near the top of their game, and get good grades in academics, but they still get disrespect from some individuals.

>>Wonder why the Rutgers girls straightened their hair and covered up their Tattoos...

Wouldn't most people try to look their best in a news conference or other serious media event? Why should black women be considered in a different category than anyone else?

The problem I have with Reverends Jackson and Sharpton is that they are not embarassed to make everything about them or their causes. Personally, I would be offended if any one person claimed to represent me because of my race, creed, gender, or any other characteristic.

Onetimeradioguy & Semoochie: You're both wrong. The end of KLIQ-AM&FM's first venture into talk radio came on November 3, 1969 when owner Dave Jack's wife & children were threatened by extremists who also intimidated advertisers and "Click" Talk Hosts with hate mail and telephone call campaigns. Dave Jack: "We are throwing in the towel. We don't like to, in fact we hate to. Perhaps it's a sign of the times."

That was the end of the talk radio format in the Portland area. Then Jack Hurd popped up on KGAR Vancouver on April 7, 1970 4 to 6pm. Dave Collins found a new talk home on KWRC Woodburn also afternoons in 1970. Then Jack Hurd jumped to crosstown KKEY beginning on October 4, 1971, followed by Russ Myer & Dave Collins both debuting on November 29, 1971.

Don't want to get to political here. . .BUT. . .
does the Rev. Jackson have a real job? Or does he just scan the paper and fly off to causes that he figures he can get his picture taken at? ? ?

He was right in the middle of Jackie Robinson Day celebration getting his face time with Rachel Robinson, Hank Aaron and Frank Robinson. What does he have to do with a baseball celebration?

I forgot about the first time.

Oldduck, Jesse Jackson makes his living as a shakedown artist.

Jackson got his sons a beer distributorship, by htreatening to lead a boycot against them.

And he has never had outside or IRS auditors look at his rainbow coalition.

Oldduck hit the nail right on the head. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are never part of the solution but always there to stir the pot.

One of the best cartoons I've ever seen was a cartoon with Rev. Martin Luther King standing at the pulpit with the caption of his famous line "I Had a Dream", the next pane had Jesse Jackson standing there with the caption "I Had a Daughter" (Referring to his illegitimate child that surfaced a few years back)

As far as the comments about the Rutgers girls; appropriate? No way. Blown way out of proportion? Yep. Refer to the Eagles song Get Over It

There was a time when Sharpton and Jackson would not have been relevant to the conversation. Was a time when FCC regulation meant something. Was a time when a station could loose its license over something like this. Was a time when the operator on duty could loose his or her FCC license over something like this. And there was a time when Program Directors and station management thought about content.

Oh, Tim Mcnamera thinks about content. Didn't you see his interview in the Oregonian? He said although he didn't agree with the things Michael Savage says (and that SOB slurs everyday) Savage makes big money for the station so he stays. KXL was thinking about dumping Imus anyway, this just gave him an excuse to do it.

The thing that really irks me about those basketball players is not a damn one of them was listening to Imus say those things. Half of them probably were listening to the hip-hop station which sings about "raping the hos". I guess it's different when you sing.

If the 24-hour cable news stations called you everytime one particular type of news event happened, wouldn't you use that soap box yourself?

Seems to me that everytime a news event happens involving African-Americans, CNN, Fox News and MSNBC knock on the Rev. Jesse's door and the Rev. Al's door.

Wouldn't that be a subtle form of racism, assuming that these two speak for the Black community on African-American issues?

And while I'm on the subject ... if you want to blame someone for Imus's firing, don't blame Rev. Jackson and Rev. Sharpton.

Imus's firing was an inside job ... Al Roker and other African-American media professionals working inside NBC and CBS to let people know that Imus's behavior was personally reprehensible to them. If I were an African-American guy, working for NBC or CBS, with a teenaged daughter like the girls on the Rutgers team ... I hope I would have done the same thing.

Boy, and people wonder why I called out this board for racism on the El Rey thread.