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Author: Radiohustla
Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 4:18 pm
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if you to allacess .com they report the fcc has fined kbms radio

Author: Alfredo_t
Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 5:03 pm
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Here is a link to the FCC forfeiture order:

http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2008/DA-08-1755A1.html

KBMS is being fined $5600 "failing to maintain an accessible main studio in its community of license." The FCC agent who tried to inspect the KBMS studio found a locked gate and a yellow "NO TRESPASSING" sign. No staff were present in the studio or offices. Upon contacting Bennett Broadcasting (the owners of KBMS), the FCC agent was told that he would have to set up an appointment to gain access to the station.

Author: Itsvern
Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 5:17 pm
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FCC needs an appointment! LOL!

Author: Semoochie
Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 5:27 pm
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That's a little like a dog needing an appointment to scratch behind its left ear.

Author: Broadway
Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 6:39 pm
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>>FCC agent was told that he would have to set up an appointment to gain access to the station

a sad tale of the current ignorance of some ownerships/manangement regarding FCC policy.

Author: Radioxpert
Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 12:37 am
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What kind of clueless idiots are running KBMS? "Party Blues" in Portland? The Urban AC format was much more logical!

Author: Newflyer
Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 8:12 pm
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I wasn't going to bash them based on format; but comment that I thought the FCC posted their guidelines for radio stations on their website, which would make it easy for just about anyone that can read to be able to understand the rules.

Hmmm... maybe I should stroll by, and ask to view their public file! :-)

Author: Semoochie
Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 8:34 pm
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I love the idea of needing an appointment for a surprise inspection!

Author: Alfredo_t
Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 9:17 pm
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I won't bash the "Party Blues & Oldies" programming that is on during the weekends because I like it, and the personalities, albeit satellite delivered, are pretty entertaining. However, since KBMS's owners can't even keep one person working in the offices during regular business hours, I wonder who or what is controlling their transmitter? What are the FCC's requirements for transmitter telemetry and station log keeping?

Author: Craig_adams
Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 9:56 pm
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I believe I know the reason why there are no personnel working at the site. There is no running water or toilet, unless that's changed.

Author: Alfredo_t
Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 10:41 pm
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As I understand it, at one time that would have been considered an FCC rules violation, as well!!

Author: Craig_adams
Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 11:00 pm
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I don't think that's true. 1480 has been at the site since 1969 and has never had plumbing. However KVAN at the time used the toilet in the "St. John's Gun Club & Dog Motel" and it's address was the same: 11197 N. Portland Rd. Maybe that's how they got around the rules.

Author: Kkb
Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 11:51 pm
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Is it located where KAAR radio was?

Author: Craig_adams
Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 11:57 pm
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Yes! Same transmitter site.

Author: Tadc
Friday, August 08, 2008 - 12:45 pm
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So just out of curiosity, what might I find in a public file? Is there anything interesting?

Author: Andy_brown
Friday, August 08, 2008 - 1:01 pm
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The most interesting part of the history is the forfeiture of the license by Ada Murphy and her daugher Kathryn? Brown after they relocated the station without permission. The Big B.A. probably knows more about this than anyone.

Re: Plumbing: There is no such requirement. A transmitter site need not have running water, nor a studio location for that matter.
Many modern studios in office buildings don't have their "own" bathrooms.

Re: Unattended operation rules have been drastically rewritten.
Re: Logging requirements are no longer mandatory.

The studio location (office) must be open to the public during regular business hours. Open implies a warm body in attendance. Even a receptionist meets the requirement.

It appears Mr. Bennett has the transmitter site listed as the studio location with no other "office" location specified. Therefore, the FCC is within its rights to fine him.

This is a no brainer.

Author: Alfredo_t
Friday, August 08, 2008 - 1:16 pm
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> Even a receptionist meets the requirement.

Wow! It is really sad that Bennett couldn't meet these requirements, despite the fact that it would seem to me that doing so would be very easy. Just rent a small office space in a building with a receptionist and provide the receptionist with keys and instructions on how to handle people who ask to see the public inspection file!

Author: Billboise
Friday, August 08, 2008 - 7:39 pm
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A little thing called a "Main Studio Waver" would cost $$$.

Or if he lives in the community, put a Rat Shack mixer in a spare bedroom of his house with a dial-up connection to the transmitter. Then file for a change of studio location. FCC shows up while he's mowing the lawn, he calls the transmitter, puts in a touch-tone code, and it takes over the audio from the satellite!

Author: Craig_adams
Friday, August 08, 2008 - 7:52 pm
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I believe Mr. Bennett lives in the Seattle area.

Author: Magic_eye
Friday, August 08, 2008 - 8:17 pm
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"A little thing called a 'Main Studio Waver' would cost $$$."

Wasn't that part of the job description of the KISN Good Guys when they were on Burnside?

Author: Kennewickman
Friday, August 08, 2008 - 9:42 pm
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Ya, we had a legal solution to such a conundrum with a 4 channel Russco mixer a mic and some thrown together STL xmiter and a Sat reciever ...for this Religious class A FM KGDN at the last 6 station cluster I worked for. KGDN is owned by a guy named Tom Smith ( I think )who lives in Spokane.

It was in a hallway coat closet with the door removed so that you could see everything when you came out of the mens bathroom. And it was just a rented space with rented receptionist and the traffic mgr signed on as the responsible during business hours...

Really easy to accomplish things like this with a little thought and a few contacts in the community you serve. And yes, it might cost someone a little extra money, but nice to stay up to snuff legal Huh???

Author: Semoochie
Friday, August 08, 2008 - 10:45 pm
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I was under the impression that the KISN Corner was a glorified shopping center remote and not a main studio at all. The transmitter site was the main studio and a certain amount of their broadcasts had to originate from there.

Author: Alfredo_t
Friday, August 08, 2008 - 11:23 pm
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Agreed--the transmitter site studio was in the city of license, Vancouver, WA.

Author: Semoochie
Friday, August 08, 2008 - 11:37 pm
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...and for more on this story, we take you to Craig Adams.

Author: Craig_adams
Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 1:26 am
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This is something Robin Mitchell knows more about.

Author: 62kgw
Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 9:02 am
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is the kbms antenna site at the same place as origional 91kisn?same place as 1480kvan monomania??

Author: Stevethedj
Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 9:05 am
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yes, it's at the same place as 1480 kvan monomanics site. and it still dosent have a working bathroom.

Author: Broadway
Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 10:40 am
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>>still dosent have a working bathroom.

well lets get a bunch of us radio techies and go out and fix the problem...contribute to the cause of radio.

Author: Semoochie
Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 11:20 am
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I'll put it another way: Was the 910 transmitter site ever in Vancouver? I'm only aware of the 2 locations, (what is now) Airport Way and Smith Lake in Norh Portland.

Author: Stevethedj
Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 11:56 am
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Is ron, the former CE of KKEY still around. He would know.

Author: Andy_brown
Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 12:36 pm
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KVAN (910 or 1480 or both ... when did 910 switch from KVAN to KISN? ) was once located on Smith Lake, slightly WNW of the present KBMS site (up the dirt road beyond Rusty's Gun Club).
(See USGS Portland Quadrangle 7.5' series 1961).
It shows a two tower array. I believe this was still when KVAN was at 910. This same map shows KWJJ on the opposite side of Smith Lake (along what is now the road to Kelley Point Park) with a 3 tower array.

Author: Kennewickman
Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 5:37 pm
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KISN transmitter site with auxilliary studios were built just east of the Portland Airport ( Troutdale ) in 1965-66. That is when they got to raise power to 5KW with a 4 tower inline' array.


At the risk of being inaccurate , I will stick my neck out and say that previous to the NE portland transmitter site, the 910 KHZ site was out in the Fruit Valley area of west Vancouver located on a flood plain of the Columbia River ( not to be confused with KGAR 1550 that was located in Fruit Valley just to the northwest of 26th & Kaufman streets ). The 'pre 65 ' transmitter and studio site was a single stick 1KW day 250 watts night. Of course the 10th and Burn studios were built previous to the major change in transmitter sites and power changes affected in the mid 60s.

I believe that their license required a certain portion of their broadcasting to be originated from the transmitter site, yes, as the transmitter was closer to the city of license, Vancouver,Wa.

I knew a guy who worked for KISN for a time, under several different air names who DJd overnights in his first few months on the air at KISN out at the transmitter site overnights. That was in 1969. Later on he was put on middays and then in the morning for a time at the 10th and "Burn" studio.

Author: Craig_adams
Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 10:00 pm
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Man, where do I begin? First thanks Semoochie for restating your question, I miss understood. Kennewickman is correct. The original KVAN 910 had its first transmitter site at 2915 Fruit Valley Rd. in Vancouver, which was the main studio. KVAN had an additional studio at The Evergreen Hotel at 504 Main St.

KVAN was at its first transmitter site from 1939 to 1947 when it moved to the south shore of Smith Lake in North Portland. The access road to the site pasted by what would later become the KVAN 1480 site. These sites are far apart from each other. You are confusing the KVAN calls, thinking they were one station. They just happened to use the same calls and the sites were in the same area.

Kennewickman: The Smith lake 910 site was always 1kw directional day & night. At the Vancouver site KVAN began as a 250 watt daytimer (one stick). That increased to 500 watts in 1941 and it was at Smith Lake when KVAN began night operation (two sticks) on September 22, 1947. KVAN never operated with 250 watts at night.

Author: Semoochie
Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 11:44 pm
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Ron Hudson is alive and well and enjoying his retirement. One more thing about Ron: His father-in-law was one of the original engineers of KGW!

Author: Craig_adams
Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 12:12 am
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What is his father-in-laws name?

Author: Semoochie
Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 1:47 am
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I'll ask.

Author: Outsider
Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 6:56 am
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Nice to know that the "Duck Club" (as those of us who worked at KARadiO when it moved back over there from Orchards in 1981 called it)still lives. Last time I drove by the location, about 3 to 5 years ago, the gate was locked, and the weeds, trees and bushes were so overgrown, that you couldn't see the buildings from the street.

It has certainly been an interesting "ride" for 1480 since those Patten Communications-owned days. Craig would probably know more about this, but since they left the Duck Club, I know they've had studio locations in Hazel Dell and the Tower Mall. So many moves, even over a 20+ year span, might well indicate financial problems of one kind or another.

Craig, back to you.

Author: Kennewickman
Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 7:50 pm
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Ok, where is Smith lake? Is that off N.W.Marine drive aka the Duck Club? So I guess 910 as KISN was first at Smith Lake then moved out to Troutdale in 65' and increased to 5kw...Do I have that right?

Author: Andy_brown
Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 8:12 pm
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Smith/Bybee Lakes:

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=Smith%20Lake%20n%20portlan d&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl


The KVAN 1480/KBMS 1480 site is near "N" in the first occurrence of "N. Portland Road", just off the road to the NW, up along the thin blue drainage slough (the long one that goes under N. Portland Rd.), in the green area (although the lake edge is a moving target. The KVAN 910 site from late 50's early 60's is NW of that site about 1.2 km (north and across the tracks from N. Upland). Zoom out and you'll see where Marine Dr. intersects N. Portland Road.

Author: Kennewickman
Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 8:22 pm
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Ok, Andy, I gotcha...thanx for the link...I have been out there a few times on my way to somewhere else...

Now, I am curious here...Craig listed the address for the previous 910 xmitter site as 2915 Fruit Valley road...seems to me that back in the 60s that would have been the approximate address of the 1550 xmitter and studio site for KGAR. As I said above KGAR was located just to the NW of the intersection of 26th and Kaufman in Vancouver. It was to the NW and across the railway tracks from this intersection which would have put it at about that address listed for KVAN back in the 40s, on Fruit Valley Road.

So then, if this were so, the old KVAN site became 1550 site at a later date ?

Author: Andy_brown
Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 8:36 pm
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Here's a scan I just did of the 1961 USGS map.

http://www.mediaeng.com/html/images/1480.jpg

I've circled the old KVAN 910 site
and the location where the KVAN/KBMS site is.
They are about 1.2 km apart.

Author: Andy_brown
Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 8:45 pm
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I also have the Vancouver USGS map, also 1961, and the location you refer to shows no radio towers. When I hit town in '76 1550 was in the process of moving east to along the 205 freeway, on the west side of 205, between RT 500 and NE 28th which is where they were until taking over the four tower array further west at 162nd and 34th when 1480 abandoned it as I previously detailed. I do recall but can't confirm that 1550 was operating from a short tower located at a school as they were preparing for this move. That would possibly be the Fruit Valley School located near that address, but again, I don't know for sure. The Fruit Valley address is about 6 or 7 miles west of the 205 Freeway, in fact it is west of the I-5 freeway as well.

Author: Radiopinion
Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 9:55 pm
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The KAAR studios were in Hazel Dell in 1983. I did mornings there. Ric Elgin followed me in middays. It was great. Michael Jack Kirby became the PD, which was cool. Later, they moved to Tower Mall. I think Craig maybe worked there then and BA was running the show for awhile. I had another job, but BA let me do Sundays, which I really appreciated. Lots of great memories, but a whacky world some days.

Author: Markandrews
Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 10:11 pm
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The address for KGAR in their 1kw daytimer days was 2808 Walnut St... Definitely in the Fruit Valley neighborhood, along the railroad tracks.

Author: Craig_adams
Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 10:56 pm
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Everyone should make a copy of the historic map the Andy posted. I've made a copy for my KVAN/Kisn file. Thanks Andy!

Kennewickman: Yes KISN increased power to 5kw directional in October 1, 1966 from its new transmitter at 4617 N.E. 158th Ave. Yes, KVAN was the first station at Smith Lake. KWJJ followed a year later.

Here are the studio & transmitter address and years:
--1480--
314 N.E. Cedar St., Camas (Studio 1956-57)
1916 N.E. 2nd Ave., Camas (transmitter 1956-58)
Crown-Zellerback Hotel, 714 N.E. 4th Ave., Camas (studio 1957-61)
Orchards transmitter (1958-61)
Riviera Hotel, 321 Main St., Vancouver (studio 1961-65)
12640 N. Farr Rd., Hayden Island (transmitter 1961-69, studio 1965-69)
11197 N. Portland Rd., Portland (studio & transmitter 1969-82)(04?-Present)
15507 N.E. 34th St., Sifton (night studio & night transmitter 1977-79?)
6301 N.E. Hwy. 99, Hazel Dell (studio 1982-85)
Tower Mall, 5411 E. Mill Plain Blvd., Vancouver (studio 1985-87)
601 Main St., Vancouver (studio 1989-04?)


--1550--
2808 N.W. Walnut St., Vancouver (studio 1963-76, transmitter 1963-76)
949 S.W. Oak St., Portland (studio 1966-69)
Inn At The Quay, 100 Columbia St. Vancouver (studio 1975-77)
11550 N.E. 41st St., Orchards (studio 1976-78, transmitter 1976-85)
Avenide del Sol, 5620 N.E. Gher Rd., Suite H, Vancouver (studio 1978-92)
15307 N.E. 34th St., Sifton (transmitter 1985-Present)
Kristin Square, 9500 S.W. Barbur Blvd., Suite 302, Portland (studio 1989-91)
Pacific Plaza, 1585 N. Pacific Hwy., Suite H, Woodburn (studio 1993-93)
Pacific Business Center, 7710 N.E. Vancouver Mall Drive, Suite F, Vancouver (studio 1993-03)
Pioneer Tower, 888 S.W. 5th Ave., Suite 790, Portland (2003-06)
Pamplin Media Center, 6605 S.E. Lake Rd., Harmony (2006-Present)

Author: Radioxpert
Monday, August 11, 2008 - 12:31 am
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"I've circled the old KVAN 910 site
and the location where the KVAN/KBMS site is.
They are about 1.2 km apart."

This is the 910 KISN site in 1961?

Author: Craig_adams
Monday, August 11, 2008 - 12:41 am
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Yes.

Author: Semoochie
Monday, August 11, 2008 - 2:08 am
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I was under the impression that 1480 never moved its daytime transmitter site since moving to N. North Portland Road. They had a construction permit for 34th Street but never built it out. They had another CP for Government Island but that never saw the light of day(or night)either.

Author: Craig_adams
Monday, August 11, 2008 - 2:20 am
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It's confusing between the studio & transmitter moves plus I added the 1480 transmitters sites after doing the 1550 list and didn't catch all the updated transmitter corrections. Here's what it should have been:

11197 N. Portland Rd., Portland (studio 1969-82, 04-Present; transmitter 1969-Present)

Author: Semoochie
Monday, August 11, 2008 - 10:05 am
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Just so you'll know, it's North North Portland Road.

Author: Kennewickman
Monday, August 11, 2008 - 3:11 pm
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ha ha ha...well you learn something every day @ PDX.com....Ok,,Walnut street that sounds vaguely familiar now...yes I do remember 1550 KGAR very well because we lived up on the border of Telecaset and Columbia addition near 40th and Columbia up the hill to the NE from that station ..and the hetrodyne spurious radiations from KGAR were murder on the 40 meter ham band ! But all was well after sunset as 1550 was a daytimer in those days.

Author: Billboise
Monday, August 11, 2008 - 7:03 pm
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"Tower Mall, 5411 E. Mill Plain Blvd., Vancouver (studio 1985-87"
I was looking for something in that mall and noticed them in there. Wasnt' interesed in it as I was on vacation FROM radio. Anyway, most of the mall was empty back then.

Author: Alfredo_t
Monday, August 11, 2008 - 7:13 pm
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Here's a link to the 1550 history:

../995/67477.html"#f7f7f7" align=left> Author: Craig_adams
Monday, August 11, 2008 - 9:11 pm

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"Just so you'll know, it's North North Portland Road."

I've checked three different maps and none say N. N. or North, North Portland Rd.

Author: Semoochie
Monday, August 11, 2008 - 11:55 pm
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Unless they changed the name, it's in the north section and the street name is "North Portland", making it N. North Portland Rd.

Author: Jimbo
Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 10:26 pm
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"Ok, where is Smith lake? Is that off N.W.Marine drive aka the Duck Club? So I guess 910 as KISN was first at Smith Lake then moved out to Troutdale in 65' and increased to 5kw...Do I have that right?"
Actually, no. Just for clarification, there is no N.W. Marine Drive. It is N. Marine Drive (and N.E. Marine Drive). KISN did not move to Troutdale. Nothing is in Troutdale. They moved to N.E. 158th and Airport Way in Portland.

Andy Brown's maps/info is correct as to locations.

Craig, During the William and Cathryn Murphy days of KVAN, they also had a studio/office in a downtown Portland Hotel. I think it was the Washington Hotel but I am not positive. I do remember they kept promoting the hotel as the home of the Timber Topper Restaurant.

Author: Jeffreykopp
Friday, August 15, 2008 - 1:47 am
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Never heard it, nor been there, but I see the Timber Topper was in the Hotel Washington.

Author: Craig_adams
Friday, August 15, 2008 - 6:55 am
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Jimbo: I left out The Washington Hotel intentionally because I wasn't sure there was a studio at 1129 S.W. Washington St. There was a question mark by the information. This info was most likely from you. I figured I'd be safer not mentioning it. If there was a studio at the hotel it would have been around 1959. Any Vancouver station with a Portland address could be a sales office only. I've been lead astray by this kind of info before, labeling sales offices as studios.

Author: Jimbo
Friday, August 15, 2008 - 2:10 pm
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I remember looking for it back in that timeframe. I went up there but the door was locked and shut. You may be correct that it was just a sales office so they could have some Portland "presence".

There was also a station, office probably, on the second floor of the old Trailways/local Bus station about that timeframe on 6th and Salmon. KWJJ and Rex Recording had a place together on SW 6th in the middle of the block around the corner from there, also, probably towards Taylor or Yamhill.

I do remember going out to the KWJJ transmitter site on Smith Lake and they did most of their broadcasting from there. I was young so I don't remember details of the location but they had a full crew there. Same as KGW did from their transmitter building in the early '50's.
Lots of stations did most of their broadcasting from the transmitter sites. It was cheap to be combined. KXL did from their Clackamas location.

Author: Andy_brown
Friday, August 15, 2008 - 2:40 pm
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"I was young so I don't remember details of the location"


Check out the USGS map I posted for the JJ location at Smith Lake:

http://www.mediaeng.com/html/images/1480.jpg

Author: Craig_adams
Friday, August 15, 2008 - 5:21 pm
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The KWJJ transmitter address was: 4350 N. Suttle Rd.

Author: Jimbo
Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 4:17 am
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Andy,
I remember being at the location as shown on your map. What I referred to as not remembering was the details of what was in the building, equipment wise. Some things you just don't pay too much attention to. Other non meaningful things, you can remember in great detail.

Author: Roger
Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 7:06 am
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Back to the original.... and some added filler

Would the owner be Chris Bennett? THE Chris Bennett that bought the old religious Don Shorter owned, 1560 KDFL in Sumner, Washington which was forced into bankruptcy by the property owner in the 80s then simulcasted it with his Renton Peashooter as the Z twins?

Tsk tsk tsk Chris, Chris, Chris. Bad boy! bad bad bad.

KDFL was going to be my foray into the ownership side. That deal was a lock. No offers or bidders in six months other than myself. The trustee had my money on deposit and was using my offer to shop the station. I had already lined up 10 grand a month in advertising,and cash on hand to complete the deal, and every time it came up for a hearing, Shorter would parade another church group into court with a promise to arrange financing within 30 days. At the next hearing that group would fail to appear to be replaced, by another group. The Trustee kept dragging it out because of the promise of a higher offer than mine. Bennett was offered the station on several occasions both by Shorter before he was forced into bankruptcy, and by the trustee and turned it down.
When the trustee finally ordered an auction as a "put up or shut up", Despite my making my first offer to Shorter before he lost the station, (he turned me down) Shorter was so sure that I was working with the property owner that he brought in a different church group to the auction, and had Chris Bennett come in to bid up the price. (His words confirmed my thoughts) I had talked with Chris and told him I wasn't going to play that bullshit game, and it seemed more racially motivated than anything else. Bennett didn't want it, and said he would bid long enough to force me out, to allow Shorters church group to win it So, this church group showed up with a widow with some money, I made one final serious bid, and told everyone in the room, Shorter had brought both in to make him good, but I wasn't going to play. They were welcome to have it if they wanted it but to just make bids to help their friend was foolish. The widow got cold feet but the church said they would cover any difference, and Bennett pushed the bid to 80k. After some discussion with Shorter, the church group and the old lady, they went to 96k and got it. Of course, they had no clue about radio, no money to run it, and the widow got cold feet after the transfer and went to Chris who was happy to pay less than her bid. The whole auction bit was a joke. The Trustee should have stopped it but the promise of more money was what drove it.

My deal had included the station as well as the land, Theirs was for the license and everything would have to move.

Shorter had hoped that his buddy Chris would bail him out. He didn't, but still wound up with the station. Lots of losers in that deal.

It was definitely a Black vs White thang, nothing personal against me, but Shorter was so sure that I was working with the property owner who had owned KDFL at one time, and that I was just there as a front so that "Uncle Hank" could get the station back, He was determined to do whatever to save his ass, and hang the owner out to dry that the station really was just a pawn.
Hank got his back rent, Shorter opened a church where he could derive tax free income, the little white lady in the black church didn't get back what she paid for the station, and Chris wound up with a station that he never really wanted, for more money than he needed to pay.

I always wondered what kind of terms she agreed to and if Chris ever paid her in full.


Chris gave me the impression that he was a polished front with no substance behind. Smooth talking, seemed successful, but too much self interest. Shorter seemed like a snake and a hustler using GOD to make a buck. I felt bad for the woman who got the "doing GODs work" spiel and bit, then got screwed. I came out clean, but empty handed. An if Chris really wanted it, He could have had it months earlier for 65k cash instead of what he wound up paying.

Wonder if he can make payments on that fine?

The end...

Author: Stevethedj
Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 9:14 am
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That little old lady isn't the first and sure won't be the last fleced "in the name of the lord" sad. I wonder if GOD cries, when he looks down upon this earth.

Author: Alfredo_t
Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 9:58 pm
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Today, I went by the KBMS site. The gate was open, and there was a faded sign on the fence that said "KBMS" and "Office Hours 10AM-4PM." I didn't have the guts to go down the driveway (would this be trespassing?), but since it was before 4:00 PM, maybe I should have.

I am a bit surprised by how marginal the KBMS signal is in southeast Portland. It almost seems like they get a better signal into Beaverton, despite having to go over the West Hills!

Author: Newflyer
Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 10:16 pm
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One of their liners says "From Hazel Dell, Washington, to Beaverton, Oregon, nobody plays a greater variety of hits. 1480, KBMS."
I think Semoochie or someone similar said the reason for the signal is because KBPS is only 30 khz away.

Author: Alfredo_t
Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 11:56 pm
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I see: the KBPS-AM transmitter is in a fairly central location. Thus, KBMS is stuck being in the outskirts of town, forcing at least one part of town to have a marginal signal. :-(

Author: E_dawg
Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 3:34 pm
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Should we get rid off 1480 format since there isn't that much *ethnic* group in Portland. I think they should flip from URBAN-AC to talk. What do you think?

Author: Roger
Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 7:04 pm
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URBAN TALK like Art McCoy on WTAM with Black on Black Crime.......

Author: Radiohustla
Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 8:16 pm
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i think uran talk will work in portland down with that format.

Author: Semoochie
Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 11:10 pm
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This is Semoochie(or someone similar)and I just thought I'd take this opportunity to hijack this thread: It occurred to me that today, I'm young and vibrant but in less than an hour, Madison Avenue will consider me old and set in my ways. I mentioned this to my wife, who reminded me that I was born "old and set in my ways"! Oh well, no use fighting it. Time to start listening to the "depends on us" station. Look, that joke worked so well last time, I thought I'd try it again! And still no comment about the new "Cripe Radio"! What a shameless plug for my birthday! :-)

Author: Craig_adams
Monday, August 18, 2008 - 12:11 am
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Hey, Happy Birthday Semoochie!

Author: Stevethedj
Monday, August 18, 2008 - 4:53 am
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happy birthday semoochie...haven't seen you since our kkey days. hope your doing well. this next summer i will join the club too.

Author: Stevethedj
Monday, August 18, 2008 - 7:44 am
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linda also sends here birthday greetings.

Author: Roger
Monday, August 18, 2008 - 9:22 am
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here birthday greetings.

*(see grammar police thread)

Author: Roger
Monday, August 18, 2008 - 9:29 am
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Urban talk in Portland, or uran talk.
PDX black population too small to support this. Plus, you would need a signal with complete coverage and an owner willing to make the investment. In regards to Portland, Mr. B ISN'T that owner, KBMS isn't that signal.

Author: Semoochie
Monday, August 18, 2008 - 10:15 am
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I knew your name sounded familiar! Unfortunately, I'm still not sure. I thought you were "Little Stephen" but if that's the case, you were just a kid. I went to your high school graduation with my wife. If that isn't you then who are you?

Author: Alfredo_t
Monday, August 18, 2008 - 12:50 pm
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Is the old-guy-sounding voice in the KBMS station IDs (such as "From North to South, East to West, we bring the best! 1480 KBMS") Mr. Bennett himself?

I don't think that Urban-oriented talk would be a ratings success in this market, regardless of which station carried it, because of the market's demographics. What formats could get a larger listenership on the 1480 signal than what is currently on it?

Author: Roger
Monday, August 18, 2008 - 3:31 pm
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What formats could get a larger listenership on the 1480 signal than what is currently on it?

What station on the 1480 frequency could get a larger audience with a different owner?

To answer you question. Even a small increase in community presence, marketing and promotion would increase the listener base.

But again it's the WRONG owner to implement any changes.

Author: Chaplain
Monday, August 18, 2008 - 3:41 pm
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"i think uran talk will work in portland down with that format."

Urine talk? What the hell?

Yeah. Down with THAT format is right!

Author: Rongallagher
Monday, August 18, 2008 - 6:47 pm
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Besides, we already have urine talk in PDX. The "depends on us" station!

Author: E_dawg
Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 5:26 pm
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We should get rid of 1480 train wreck station. KBLX in San Francsico and WHUR in Washington DC sounds better than KBMS.

Author: Alfredo_t
Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 7:34 pm
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If somebody had bought 1480 ten years ago and flipped it to a Spanish format, I think that they would have enjoyed a few years of pretty good income.
Commercial format possibilities for 1480 (not guaranteed to perform better than the existing format):
* Classic Country
* 1st decade of Rock & Roll
* Time-Brokered Ethnic
* Christian Country

Author: Radiohustla
Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 10:24 pm
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kbms is tax write off station chris bennet dont give fuck about it if he did he would put money in to it he need sale it to radio one or emmis maybe they put good format on there

Author: Semoochie
Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 11:15 pm
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Thank you for the birthday greetings! I see I survived another one. Years ago, I thought 1480 should appeal directly to the African-American community because their signal was basically limited to that core area. I think that time has passed and there aren't any other options. If something similar to their current format won't work then they should seriously consider going dark to help out another station that could do something with an improved coverage area.

Author: Alfredo_t
Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 12:21 pm
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Hypothetically speaking (of course), I wonder if the following scenario might be possible: the 1480 license is donated to KBPS. KBPS then turns in their license for 1450kHz and upgrades 1480 to 5 or 10kW directional.

Author: Alfredo_t
Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 12:32 pm
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Add: Here are some non-commercial format possibilities for 1480 if it were donated for a tax writeoff to somebody other than the KBPS foundation:

* BBC World Service
* Community Radio (for those who couldn't or didn't want to wade through KBOO's bureaucracy).
* PCM Access Radio

Years ago, PCM announced that they were considering applying for a LPFM license, so Access Radio isn't a creation of my imagination. I can't say that PCM still has any interest in operating a radio station, however.

Author: Semoochie
Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 3:19 pm
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I like the idea but it would cost money that they don't have and aren't likely to ever be able to get back. Just protecting Salem and Longview and cutting off anything to the east would probably do the trick.

Author: Craig_adams
Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 8:51 pm
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R&R Reports: KVAN Under Debt Relief

Oregon
KVAN-FM/Pilot Rock
PRICE: Undisclosed
TERMS: Debt relief
BUYER: Nelson, Charles R., headed by Owner Charles Nelson. Phone: 509-527-1000
It owns no other stations. This represents its entry into this market.
SELLER: Bruton Broadcasting LLC, headed by Managing Member Jeffrey Bruton. Phone: 509-527-1000
FREQUENCY: 92.1 MHz
POWER: 7kw at 633 feet
FORMAT: oldies
COMMENT: Bruton Broadcasting LLC's KVAN-FM/Pilot Rock, Ore., to Charles R. Nelson for debt relief in an amount equal to the senior note held by the assignee. Assignee agrees to pay for the preparation and filing of the form 314 assignment application.


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